They said that not joining the Euro would be a catastrophe, we didn't and it wasn't
They said that voting Leave in the referendum would be ruinous, we did and it isn't. In fact the economy is booming, better than Germany
They now say that No Deal would be terrible for the UK
Why should we believe them
True that the pound is down in value but that is because of the continuing uncertainty
The Europeans will still want to buy our goods, as we will still want to buy theirs. True the car industry is shedding jobs but that is happening because of worldwide lack of demand, and the move to more environmentally friendly ones
One reason why we say no deal would be disastrous is because Gove will not publish even a watered down version of the Govt's contingency plans for fear of alarming the public. It might all turn out to be all right, but "Might" is a hell of a risk, and there is no Govt in recent or even not recent times that has taken such a big risk with the lives and well-being and stability of the country's population without having been forced into it by outside events: they have gone into this deliberately and the only people who can gain from it are the extremely wealthy and the far right - who are the ones who have been paying for it.
This is from the Financial Times (hardly a socialist paper):
Michael Gove has pulled plans to publish a “watered down” version of the government’s Operation Yellowhammer no-deal Brexit contingency plans, after ministers decreed that the findings would still alarm the public. Mr Gove, minister for no-deal planning, had been expected to publish extracts of the document on Tuesday as part of his efforts to prepare the UK for the possibility of Brexit taking place without an agreement on October 31.
Government officials worked throughout the weekend overhauling the Operation Yellowhammer document, and Mr Gove had hoped to use the work to prove that he had a grip on potential no-deal problems. But, on Monday, Mr Gove and fellow cabinet ministers decided to abandon Tuesday’s publication of the document. “The meeting didn’t go well,” said one person close to the meeting. “The whole thing was seen as far too pessimistic about no deal.”
Last month, the Sunday Times published a leak of Operation Yellowhammer that said Britain would face shortages of fuel, food and medicine and three months of chaos at its ports in the event of a no-deal exit. The file, marked “official sensitive”, warned that lorries might face delays of two and a half days at ports and medical supplies might be vulnerable “to severe extended delays”. It also said the government had expected a return of a hard border in Ireland.
Mr Gove insisted that things had improved since that document was produced at the beginning of August, when it was presented to Boris Johnson’s first cabinet meeting, and that more money was being made available for contingency planning. To prove that point he hoped to use assumptions from the Operation Yellowhammer document on Tuesday to show that the government was well prepared when he makes a Commons statement on his £100m “Get Ready for Brexit” publicity campaign.
Although officials working on the rewrite said the paper had been deliberately “neutralised” it was still seen as too gloomy for publication to the general public. The decision to pull publication was taken on Monday at a meeting of the so-called “XO cabinet committee” — charged with preparing for no deal — chaired by Mr Gove. “The whole thing was buried,” said one person briefed on the meeting. Government sources denied that the revised Operation Yellowhammer document had been buried. “The thing is always being updated so it isn’t the sort of document that can be pulled,” said one.
This is from the Financial Times (hardly a socialist paper):
Michael Gove has pulled plans to publish a “watered down” version of the government’s Operation Yellowhammer no-deal Brexit contingency plans, after ministers decreed that the findings would still alarm the public. Mr Gove, minister for no-deal planning, had been expected to publish extracts of the document on Tuesday as part of his efforts to prepare the UK for the possibility of Brexit taking place without an agreement on October 31.
Government officials worked throughout the weekend overhauling the Operation Yellowhammer document, and Mr Gove had hoped to use the work to prove that he had a grip on potential no-deal problems. But, on Monday, Mr Gove and fellow cabinet ministers decided to abandon Tuesday’s publication of the document. “The meeting didn’t go well,” said one person close to the meeting. “The whole thing was seen as far too pessimistic about no deal.”
Last month, the Sunday Times published a leak of Operation Yellowhammer that said Britain would face shortages of fuel, food and medicine and three months of chaos at its ports in the event of a no-deal exit. The file, marked “official sensitive”, warned that lorries might face delays of two and a half days at ports and medical supplies might be vulnerable “to severe extended delays”. It also said the government had expected a return of a hard border in Ireland.
Mr Gove insisted that things had improved since that document was produced at the beginning of August, when it was presented to Boris Johnson’s first cabinet meeting, and that more money was being made available for contingency planning. To prove that point he hoped to use assumptions from the Operation Yellowhammer document on Tuesday to show that the government was well prepared when he makes a Commons statement on his £100m “Get Ready for Brexit” publicity campaign.
Although officials working on the rewrite said the paper had been deliberately “neutralised” it was still seen as too gloomy for publication to the general public. The decision to pull publication was taken on Monday at a meeting of the so-called “XO cabinet committee” — charged with preparing for no deal — chaired by Mr Gove. “The whole thing was buried,” said one person briefed on the meeting. Government sources denied that the revised Operation Yellowhammer document had been buried. “The thing is always being updated so it isn’t the sort of document that can be pulled,” said one.
Why should there be delays at the ports, the same or similar goods will continue to flow both ways as they do now (perhaps fewer people will travel for a while). Quite heavy border controls already exist, and in some cases is already very tight using eye and fingerprint recognition
I don't buy these warnings, they are all put forward to enhance agendas. For instance they are already stockpiling medications, not to be able to maintain supplies but to increase prices
If a deal is the way forward why didn't Corbyn and Co vote for Mrs May's deal? I tell you why, because they are playing political games in a vain hope of achieving power. They are the liars and hypocrites in all of this
The electorate are not daft, the opinion polls show that Johnson's stock is higher than ever and increasing by the day which is of course why Labour despite screaming for an election for two years now don't want one
They said that not joining the Euro would be a catastrophe, we didn't and it wasn't
They said that voting Leave in the referendum would be ruinous, we did and it isn't. In fact the economy is booming, better than Germany
They now say that No Deal would be terrible for the UK
Why should we believe them
True that the pound is down in value but that is because of the continuing uncertainty
The Europeans will still want to buy our goods, as we will still want to buy theirs. True the car industry is shedding jobs but that is happening because of worldwide lack of demand, and the move to more environmentally friendly ones
One reason why we say no deal would be disastrous is because Gove will not publish even a watered down version of the Govt's contingency plans for fear of alarming the public. It might all turn out to be all right, but "Might" is a hell of a risk, and there is no Govt in recent or even not recent times that has taken such a big risk with the lives and well-being and stability of the country's population without having been forced into it by outside events: they have gone into this deliberately and the only people who can gain from it are the extremely wealthy and the far right - who are the ones who have been paying for it.
Who is the "we" you refer to?
Governments of all hues regularly take risks with our well being and stability, if the economic situation demands it
You do realise that wealth creators make jobs and benefits for our society, profit is not a dirty word
More people than I could mention here have been banned from message boards through arguments about politics. That's why there are several different parties with their own manifestos. Everyone sees things differently. Certainly have your say here, but never try and convert someone from their beliefs and opinions. I will never argue politics and will never tell anyone how I vote, that's between me and my conscience.
More people than I could mention here have been banned from message boards through arguments about politics. That's why there are several different parties with their own manifestos. Everyone sees things differently. Certainly have your say here, but never try and convert someone from their beliefs and opinions. I will never argue politics and will never tell anyone how I vote, that's between me and my conscience.
That's true Ron but posters beliefs and opinions are one thing, making slanderous and defamatory comments about individuals is another. Is it any wonder that social media platforms come under such scrutiny and criticism
They said that not joining the Euro would be a catastrophe, we didn't and it wasn't
They said that voting Leave in the referendum would be ruinous, we did and it isn't. In fact the economy is booming, better than Germany
They now say that No Deal would be terrible for the UK
Why should we believe them
True that the pound is down in value but that is because of the continuing uncertainty
The Europeans will still want to buy our goods, as we will still want to buy theirs. True the car industry is shedding jobs but that is happening because of worldwide lack of demand, and the move to more environmentally friendly ones
One reason why we say no deal would be disastrous is because Gove will not publish even a watered down version of the Govt's contingency plans for fear of alarming the public. It might all turn out to be all right, but "Might" is a hell of a risk, and there is no Govt in recent or even not recent times that has taken such a big risk with the lives and well-being and stability of the country's population without having been forced into it by outside events: they have gone into this deliberately and the only people who can gain from it are the extremely wealthy and the far right - who are the ones who have been paying for it.
Here you are Aub
"Emergency services are accused of 'scaremongering' over advice to carry 'grab bags' containing first aid kit, water and phone charger - sparking jokes UK faces 'nuclear' apocalypse"
One reason why we say no deal would be disastrous is because Gove will not publish even a watered down version of the Govt's contingency plans for fear of alarming the public. It might all turn out to be all right, but "Might" is a hell of a risk, and there is no Govt in recent or even not recent times that has taken such a big risk with the lives and well-being and stability of the country's population without having been forced into it by outside events: they have gone into this deliberately and the only people who can gain from it are the extremely wealthy and the far right - who are the ones who have been paying for it.
Here you are Aub
"Emergency services are accused of 'scaremongering' over advice to carry 'grab bags' containing first aid kit, water and phone charger - sparking jokes UK faces 'nuclear' apocalypse"
That's not the Govt's contingency plans; and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with brexit. According to that piece they do the same thing every year.
Jimmy,I can't Private Message you as you have deleted your account. I am hoping you may look in here. The politics thread is for everyone to air their views and it is wrong for anyone to pour scorn on someone else's views. This thread should never become personal and it did. I know I'm not just speaking for myself,when I say we want you to come back. Think it over,jimmy,and come back please,you are missed. I am of a similar mind to you when it comes to Brexit,I want out of the EU. All of the doomsayers may find themselves pleasantly surprised after we leave the EU. I remember a time when Britain thrived,standing on it's own two feet. I can understand how you feel about being personally attacked,but please don't let it spoil your forum experience.
Post by starlilolill on Sept 12, 2019 13:26:10 GMT
When I asked if anyone was stockpiling nobody commented. It was a serious point and it would seem it was justifiable according to the now published document. Paper products, frozen fruit and veg, tinned food are but a few suggestions. I don't believe this is scaremongering I do believe it is common sense. If, and it is a big if it would seem, all goes smoothly then all the goods that have been stockpiled won't go to waste. Worth considering? I think so!