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Post by aubrey on Sept 14, 2016 9:24:28 GMT
Should we kill them all, just to be on the safe side?
Muslims are not all the same. A very tiny proportion of them are terrorists, or likely to be terrorists.
My view of young white western men changed drastically after Anders Breviek (sp?), and all those other white, sometimes christian, terrorists, some with close ties to English groups.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 11:17:41 GMT
Should we kill them all, just to be on the safe side? Muslims are not all the same. A very tiny proportion of them are terrorists, or likely to be terrorists. My view of young white western men changed drastically after Anders Breviek (sp?), and all those other white, sometimes christian, terrorists, some with close ties to English groups. I don't know of any "white Christian terrorists" that are trying to take over a country and export their terrorism to other countries in pursuit of their aims Can you enlighten me please
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Post by aubrey on Sept 14, 2016 11:43:42 GMT
There are white christian terrorists in the US, and and white terrorists here (maybe christian), and plenty of people here who supported Breveik: who was protesting against the laws in his own country, and trying to get them changed: by killing a load of kids.
But I don't assume that all whites want to do the same, even those that were on the same white nationalist message boards as Breveik; I don't assume that all white christians want to kill doctors who work in women's health centres (as christians have done in the US). Very few people Christian and Muslim, are really like that: even those who may share the terrorist's aims (because killing innocent people for religious reasons is terrorism, whatever the religion): like those Catholic women I have seen at the end of our road, carrying anti-abortion placards.
The Muslim family living next door to us are just trying to get on with their lives, like everyone else is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 12:28:42 GMT
There are white christian terrorists in the US, and and white terrorists here (maybe christian), and plenty of people here who supported Breveik: who was protesting against the laws in his own country, and trying to get them changed: by killing a load of kids. But I don't assume that all whites want to do the same, even those that were on the same white nationalist message boards as Breveik; I don't assume that all white christians want to kill doctors who work in women's health centres (as christians have done in the US). Very few people Christian and Muslim, are really like that: even those who may share the terrorist's aims (because killing innocent people for religious reasons is terrorism, whatever the religion): like those Catholic women I have seen at the end of our road, carrying anti-abortion placards. The Muslim family living next door to us are just trying to get on with their lives, like everyone else is. I'm still no clearer about "white Christians" trying to take over a country like Syria or Nigeria for example, and certainly trying to take over here or the USA
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Post by HILD on Sept 14, 2016 15:55:57 GMT
There are white christian terrorists in the US, and and white terrorists here (maybe christian), and plenty of people here who supported Breveik: who was protesting against the laws in his own country, and trying to get them changed: by killing a load of kids. But I don't assume that all whites want to do the same, even those that were on the same white nationalist message boards as Breveik; I don't assume that all white christians want to kill doctors who work in women's health centres (as christians have done in the US). Very few people Christian and Muslim, are really like that: even those who may share the terrorist's aims (because killing innocent people for religious reasons is terrorism, whatever the religion): like those Catholic women I have seen at the end of our road, carrying anti-abortion placards. The Muslim family living next door to us are just trying to get on with their lives, like everyone else is. I'm still no clearer about "white Christians" trying to take over a country like Syria or Nigeria for example, and certainly trying to take over here or the USA I think we might have tried that a 150 years ago..............look where it got us, just saying!
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Post by aubrey on Sept 14, 2016 16:40:07 GMT
There are white christian terrorists in the US, and and white terrorists here (maybe christian), and plenty of people here who supported Breveik: who was protesting against the laws in his own country, and trying to get them changed: by killing a load of kids. But I don't assume that all whites want to do the same, even those that were on the same white nationalist message boards as Breveik; I don't assume that all white christians want to kill doctors who work in women's health centres (as christians have done in the US). Very few people Christian and Muslim, are really like that: even those who may share the terrorist's aims (because killing innocent people for religious reasons is terrorism, whatever the religion): like those Catholic women I have seen at the end of our road, carrying anti-abortion placards. The Muslim family living next door to us are just trying to get on with their lives, like everyone else is. I'm still no clearer about "white Christians" trying to take over a country like Syria or Nigeria for example, and certainly trying to take over here or the USA They don't have to in the US: but there are people there who would like to make the place into a Christian theocracy. Muslims are not trying to take over here, though. I really don't get how a few terrorists makes all Muslims suspect. There are different types of Muslim - as there different types of Christian - and most Islamic terrorism is between different types - many, many more Muslims are killed by Islamic terrorism than non-Muslims. Usually, blaming Muslims in general because of terrorism is like blaming Methodists for what the IRA did: blaming Catholics was stupid enough, but blaming Methodists would have been bizarre. Same with Muslims. Blaming Shia Muslims for something done by a few Sunnis is even more ridiculous than blaming Sunnis who weren't involved.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 17:44:38 GMT
I'm still no clearer about "white Christians" trying to take over a country like Syria or Nigeria for example, and certainly trying to take over here or the USA They don't have to in the US: but there are people there who would like to make the place into a Christian theocracy. Muslims are not trying to take over here, though. I really don't get how a few terrorists makes all Muslims suspect. There are different types of Muslim - as there different types of Christian - and most Islamic terrorism is between different types - many, many more Muslims are killed by Islamic terrorism than non-Muslims. Usually, blaming Muslims in general because of terrorism is like blaming Methodists for what the IRA did: blaming Catholics was stupid enough, but blaming Methodists would have been bizarre. Same with Muslims. Blaming Shia Muslims for something done by a few Sunnis is even more ridiculous than blaming Sunnis who weren't involved. Your examples are just silly and make no sense I repeat, where are the white Christian terrorists trying to seize control of a country, and exporting their terrorism worldwide to overthrow existing governments
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Post by aubrey on Sept 14, 2016 18:35:38 GMT
What does that have to do with Muslims in general?
Did you blame Christians for the actions of the IRA?
The point is that Muslims are not all the same: even if you discount the vast differences between Sunni and Shia Muslims (and all the other sub divisions), Muslims are just people, who can't be blamed for the actions of other Muslims.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 19:57:15 GMT
What does that have to do with Muslims in general? Did you blame Christians for the actions of the IRA? The point is that Muslims are not all the same: even if you discount the vast differences between Sunni and Shia Muslims (and all the other sub divisions), Muslims are just people, who can't be blamed for the actions of other Muslims. If you can't answer your own assertions there is no point in continuing this discussion
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Post by aubrey on Sept 15, 2016 6:18:26 GMT
The assertion is that when whites carry out terrorist acts - and people like Breveik and his supporters do want a war - the rest of us whites are not blamed for it. The bloke who killed Joe Cox was not assumed to have wide support in the Leave campaign, even with the slogans he chanted, the kind of people he is supposed to have mixed with. British people have not been blamed, individually, for the invasion of Iraq (which was given a specifically Christian basis by Bush's rhetoric), or the rest of our ill-advised meddlings in that area. Which is right: we're not responsible (thought the Govts we have voted for are).
Whys is it assumed that individual Muslim people are responsible, and should be punished in some way, for the actions of other Muslims who have nothing to do with them, whose aims they are unlikely even to share?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 8:55:56 GMT
Now that Chanel 4 are to show Bake Off it would not surprise me if they announce that all contestants will be required to wear the Burkha or Burkina to be more PC than the BBC (if such a thing is possible)
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Post by aubrey on Sept 15, 2016 15:44:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 9:08:04 GMT
"The 22-year-old chess star boycotting Iran World Championships over hijab Nazi Paikidze-Barnes, a 22-year-old champion chess player, is boycotting next year's World Chess Championship competition in Iran. "I think it's unacceptable to host a women's World Championship in a place where women do not have basic fundamental rights and are treated as second-class citizens," she says. In Iran women are legally required to wear a hijab or headscarf. Nazi says she will not wear the hijab and "support oppression". www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37559853/the-22-year-old-chess-star-boycotting-iran-world-championships-over-hijabGood for her
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Post by aubrey on Oct 5, 2016 10:50:53 GMT
"The 22-year-old chess star boycotting Iran World Championships over hijab Nazi Paikidze-Barnes, a 22-year-old champion chess player, is boycotting next year's World Chess Championship competition in Iran. "I think it's unacceptable to host a women's World Championship in a place where women do not have basic fundamental rights and are treated as second-class citizens," she says. In Iran women are legally required to wear a hijab or headscarf. Nazi says she will not wear the hijab and "support oppression". www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37559853/the-22-year-old-chess-star-boycotting-iran-world-championships-over-hijabGood for her The point is, it's having the choice. In Iran there is no choice, and in France there is no choice either. In the UK there is, for now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 11:06:06 GMT
"The 22-year-old chess star boycotting Iran World Championships over hijab Nazi Paikidze-Barnes, a 22-year-old champion chess player, is boycotting next year's World Chess Championship competition in Iran. "I think it's unacceptable to host a women's World Championship in a place where women do not have basic fundamental rights and are treated as second-class citizens," she says. In Iran women are legally required to wear a hijab or headscarf. Nazi says she will not wear the hijab and "support oppression". www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37559853/the-22-year-old-chess-star-boycotting-iran-world-championships-over-hijabGood for her The point is, it's having the choice. In Iran there is no choice, and in France there is no choice either. In the UK there is, for now. No, you are wrong Muslim women have no choice, they do not choose to cover up - their men make them do it. It is all about control
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