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Post by HILD on Aug 30, 2016 14:49:49 GMT
It's an open beach, not somewhere you pay to get in. If they're not going to stop nuns and other people wearing religious clothing from being on a beach then they've got no right to stop Muslim women either: unless they just want to pass a law saying that Muslim women are 2nd class citizens. Anyway, they seem to be stopping it now; so all those people who were shouting Go Home and worse to that Muslim woman (and other Muslim women) will have to accept it now, because it's the law. You'd think sometimes that people didn't want refugees to integrate. The point is that it is a public beach, that means it is run and managed by the local council. They provide licences for businesses, lifeguards, checks to ensure safety of equipment, footpaths, steps, lighting etc. It is therefore public in the sense that it is run for the public by the council and not a private beach belonging to an individual or company. Therefore the reason they were able to pass this bye law is that it is a public service beach, and not an open beach. All councils will have bye laws and regulations for the use of their beaches. Just because the beach is at the end of your street it does not mean you can have a barbecue on it, drive your car on it, let your dog run around on it, windsurf, be drunk on it, be naked on it etc. Every beach just like a park which is also publically owned by the council has rules and regulations. You do pay for these amenities via your council tax, local tax, or whatever it is called.
The argument about nuns is not really valid because if they want to go swimming they can, nobody stops them and they would wear a modest swimming costume. Three nuns swim at our local pool during the week at the women only session, they don't do it in their full habits because they would sink to the bottom. Obviously some orders of nuns would not allow this but the women have entered this life with free will and in full knowledge of what the rules are. Just saying 'nuns' isn't a good enough argument because there are many differences in vocations and many nuns live very secular lives amongst the people and others are cloistered.
I do not agree with the police hassling the older lady on a beach in full view of the public, I think it is appalling. I am not sure at all where I stand on burkinis, for some they are freedom for others a prison. I would like to think that anyone wearing one had done so out of free will and with full capacity, I am not sure that is always the case and this is where the repression argument comes in.
Perhaps a large beach could have a female only area as I am sure there are women of all religions and none who would appreciate this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 15:01:54 GMT
HILD.
Go to that dreadful repressive place Israel and you will see many Muslim women n the beaches, wearing full burkas, or some derivation of that. NONE are asked to remove part of the dress.
Strange that.......
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Post by aubrey on Aug 30, 2016 15:49:06 GMT
Nuns paddle in the sea in their full nun gear, the woman last week was just sitting on the sand.
Jonjel - do they do that in Palestine as well?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 17:13:47 GMT
HILD. Go to that dreadful repressive place Israel and you will see many Muslim women n the beaches, wearing full burkas, or some derivation of that. NONE are asked to remove part of the dress. Strange that....... Perhaps that is so that Mossad knows who they are, and can keep an eye on them
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 17:43:04 GMT
ITV News is showing a film where they accompany the Iraqi army liberating a town in Iraq from IS control Interestingly it was IS who insisted that the women of that town, Muslims, cover up. Liberated, they threw off their burqas and hijabs, and the men shaved off their compulsory beards Makes you wonder why women insist on covering up on a French beach
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Post by aubrey on Aug 30, 2016 20:20:36 GMT
The difference is choice; and not all women are the same, which even goes for Muslim women.
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Post by aubrey on Aug 31, 2016 6:02:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 8:58:56 GMT
The difference is choice; and not all women are the same, which even goes for Muslim women. Instead of defending them you should use your efforts to help free these women from the oppression they suffer from their menfolk
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 9:00:36 GMT
What a ridiculous picture, you might as well advocate swimming whilst fully dressed Such a shame for these poor women
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Post by aubrey on Aug 31, 2016 9:02:46 GMT
She looks really unhappy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 20:17:33 GMT
Seems that ordinary mothers don't like the Muslim attire "Five women wearing the Islamic headscarf have been prevented from entering a nursery school in Corsica by other parents, local media report. Police intervened to calm the incident in Bonifacio, local media reported. Staff and pupils at French schools are banned from wearing religious symbols - but parents are not. Tensions between Muslims and other locals have been simmering in southern France, particularly after a jihadist in a lorry murdered 86 people in Nice." www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37278464
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 14:55:14 GMT
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Post by aubrey on Sept 9, 2016 19:23:24 GMT
Why? (They're not the same women, and that piece doesn't even say how they were dressed.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 20:06:41 GMT
Why? (They're not the same women, and that piece doesn't even say how they were dressed.) You can see them on the TV news, dressed in the full Muslim female clothing and screaming the terrorists slogan
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Post by ARENA on Sept 10, 2016 7:47:00 GMT
[/quote]You can see them on the TV news, dressed in the full Muslim female clothing and screaming the terrorists slogan [/quote]
It is NOT Muslim female clothing. That's a bit like saying the kilt is 'full British clothing'
A It is not prescribed in the Koran B 99% of Muslim women do not wear it.
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