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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 21:51:00 GMT
The French do have those values, just not for Muslims. Their police would never make a nun, say, take some of her clothing off. The idea of the Burkini (however it's spelt) was to allow Muslim women to join in with other people and go on the beach: to participate, if you like, in local customs: - IE, to integrate. Integration goes both ways. I don't think any nuns have run amok with Kalashnikovs or driven lorries beside a beach, slaughtering many as they did
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Post by aubrey on Aug 26, 2016 6:13:48 GMT
Women in Burkinis haven't either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 9:01:20 GMT
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Post by aubrey on Aug 26, 2016 9:20:30 GMT
Those are mostly staged pictures.
The point is, you're saying that every Muslim ought to be punished for the actions for a very few. Would you extend that idea beyond Muslims?
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Post by aubrey on Aug 26, 2016 11:05:06 GMT
Iran seems to be doing the oppositeIran has arrested or summoned about 450 social media users, a website linked to the Revolutionary Guards has reported. Users of apps such as Instagram, Telegram and WhatsApp have been targeted.
"These people were carrying out immoral activities, insulted religious beliefs or had illegal activities in the field of fashion," the Gherdab website said.
Details in the report [are] scant, but it's likely that those that have partaken in criminal fashion activities are undoubtedly female, and the criminal activity almost certainly involves perceived infractions against modesty that are taken so seriously in Islamic theocracies. This should provide a wonderful example of the benefits of secularism over theocracy, certainly, but it should also serve as a beacon of hope for change in a country run in the most unfortunate of fashions. Although, that previous statement comes along with the caveat that even the founders of secularism can manage an insane over-correction, such as what's currently going on along the beaches of Southern France, for example.
It could be to do with pictures like this: Women get it in the neck either way though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 11:21:19 GMT
Those are mostly staged pictures. The point is, you're saying that every Muslim ought to be punished for the actions for a very few. Would you extend that idea beyond Muslims? Yes, anybody who supports those determined to destroy us and our way of life And by support I mean physical support or implied support by refusing to condemn
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 11:26:52 GMT
Iran seems to be doing the oppositeIran has arrested or summoned about 450 social media users, a website linked to the Revolutionary Guards has reported. Users of apps such as Instagram, Telegram and WhatsApp have been targeted.
"These people were carrying out immoral activities, insulted religious beliefs or had illegal activities in the field of fashion," the Gherdab website said.
Details in the report [are] scant, but it's likely that those that have partaken in criminal fashion activities are undoubtedly female, and the criminal activity almost certainly involves perceived infractions against modesty that are taken so seriously in Islamic theocracies. This should provide a wonderful example of the benefits of secularism over theocracy, certainly, but it should also serve as a beacon of hope for change in a country run in the most unfortunate of fashions. Although, that previous statement comes along with the caveat that even the founders of secularism can manage an insane over-correction, such as what's currently going on along the beaches of Southern France, for example.
It could be to do with pictures like this: Women get it in the neck either way though. Women will always get it "in the neck" in certain so called faith societies where women are viewed as possessions The wearing of burkinis, burkas, and hijabs is because the men demand that they be worn I'm always surprised that western feminists defend their "right" to wear them, they should be campaigning for more freedom for their sisters
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Post by aubrey on Aug 26, 2016 11:36:03 GMT
It's the right to dress how you like. And remember, women are getting it in the neck from the French police as well.
Muslims are the only ones who get that refusal to condemn thing, even when they do condemn: we're not expected to condemn (say) that bloke who killed Jo Cox. And wearing a burkini (and related clothing) hardly shows a refusal to condemn anything.
And what's Destroying Our Way of Life? To me that means accepting people who are different from us, and who wear different clothes; something like the Tories stealthily selling off and cutting the NHS goes against my way of our way of life much more than a few women wearing strange clothes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 14:31:00 GMT
It's the right to dress how you like. And remember, women are getting it in the neck from the French police as well. Muslims are the only ones who get that refusal to condemn thing, even when they do condemn: we're not expected to condemn (say) that bloke who killed Jo Cox. And wearing a burkini (and related clothing) hardly shows a refusal to condemn anything. And what's Destroying Our Way of Life? To me that means accepting people who are different from us, and who wear different clothes; something like the Tories stealthily selling off and cutting the NHS goes against my way of our way of life much more than a few women wearing strange clothes. It is currently only Muslims who are determined to destroy our ways, introducing their laws and ways etc I see that the High Court in France has overturned the ban on wearing burkinis, this will only fuel further division and increase support for the right
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Post by aubrey on Aug 26, 2016 15:16:19 GMT
Only a very few of them. No more than (say) Jews are, or extreme right wingers come to that.
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Post by HILD on Aug 30, 2016 12:09:03 GMT
The French do have those values, just not for Muslims. Their police would never make a nun, say, take some of her clothing off. The idea of the Burkini (however it's spelt) was to allow Muslim women to join in with other people and go on the beach: to participate, if you like, in local customs: - IE, to integrate. Integration goes both ways.
Overall I don't like the idea of anyone being stopped by the police because of their clothing choice, but hey, the Vatican chucks you out if they don't like what you are wearing and they do it everyday, all year round - where are the headlines about this. They often do it after unsuspecting tourists have purchased their tickets too. If they don't want the tourist money (I am saying tourist because not everyone who enters is a committed roman catholic), then fine. Perhaps it would be different if Roman Catholics got in free and everyone else was charged. This isn't the case and I find it hypocritical of them to expect the tourists to cover themselves. They must make millions from their tourist industry and their overpriced entry tickets and nobody complains when they impose clothing regulations on EVERY person who enters. Especially when their ceilings and walls are covered in semi-naked paintings!!
Don't say the difference is private and public . It may be privately run but it welcomes the public and takes its dollar.
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Post by clioseward on Aug 30, 2016 12:15:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 12:19:59 GMT
The French do have those values, just not for Muslims. Their police would never make a nun, say, take some of her clothing off. The idea of the Burkini (however it's spelt) was to allow Muslim women to join in with other people and go on the beach: to participate, if you like, in local customs: - IE, to integrate. Integration goes both ways.
Overall I don't like the idea of anyone being stopped by the police because of their clothing choice, but hey, the Vatican chucks you out if they don't like what you are wearing and they do it everyday, all year round - where are the headlines about this. They often do it after unsuspecting tourists have purchased their tickets too. If they don't want the tourist money (I am saying tourist because not everyone who enters is a committed roman catholic), then fine. Perhaps it would be different if Roman Catholics got in free and everyone else was charged. This isn't the case and I find it hypocritical of them to expect the tourists to cover themselves. They must make millions from their tourist industry and their overpriced entry tickets and nobody complains when they impose clothing regulations on EVERY person who enters. Especially when their ceilings and walls are covered in semi-naked paintings!!
Don't say the difference is private and public . It may be privately run but it welcomes the public and takes its dollar.
Try getting into certain places like Royal Ascot "inappropriately dressed" and see what happens This is not Muslim women demanding special concessions, rues are rules
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Post by aubrey on Aug 30, 2016 14:31:42 GMT
It's an open beach, not somewhere you pay to get in. If they're not going to stop nuns and other people wearing religious clothing from being on a beach then they've got no right to stop Muslim women either: unless they just want to pass a law saying that Muslim women are 2nd class citizens.
Anyway, they seem to be stopping it now; so all those people who were shouting Go Home and worse to that Muslim woman (and other Muslim women) will have to accept it now, because it's the law.
You'd think sometimes that people didn't want refugees to integrate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 14:45:11 GMT
It's an open beach, not somewhere you pay to get in. If they're not going to stop nuns and other people wearing religious clothing from being on a beach then they've got no right to stop Muslim women either: unless they just want to pass a law saying that Muslim women are 2nd class citizens. Anyway, they seem to be stopping it now; so all those people who were shouting Go Home and worse to that Muslim woman (and other Muslim women) will have to accept it now, because it's the law. You'd think sometimes that people didn't want refugees to integrate. And sometimes refugees don't want to integrate, they just want to impose their ways and customs on us Just wait until Sarkozy becomes president again, Muslims will toe the line or else
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