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Post by starlilolill on Sept 18, 2015 10:59:59 GMT
Now you are being as mischievious as the other one!
The message has nothing to do with religion, as you well know, and people who are happy to remain in blissful ignorance will certainly put me off having any discussion with them!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 11:40:03 GMT
I live in England. But I have worked in Scotland on and off for many years, sometimes for several months at a time. And I have relatives who now live there so still visit on a regular basis.
Back in the day I NEVER experienced any animosity whatsoever when my English accent was detected. Yes, a bit of banter sometimes but it was all very good natured and no more than you would get as a Southerner in Yorkshire, or a Londoner in Manchester. Indeed there was a lot more animosity towards the English in parts of Wales.
However during the referendum campaign, and since things have changed. I used to be able to walk into any bar without any feeling of being an outsider or of being unwelcome, apart from a few bars that no-one would go to if they had any sense.
Now there are many places where, as an Englishman I do feel unwelcome and do get a sense of animosity. There are far more Saltires flying than ever before, and signs everywhere promoting self rule and ‘free Scotland’. And I think that groundswell of Nationalism has been whipped up by self-aggrandising politicians.
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Post by starlilolill on Sept 18, 2015 12:08:35 GMT
No politician can make you fly the flag if you don't want to!
The groundswell is amazing and it is the people of Scotland that will untimately make the decision.
I am married to an Englishman, very happily for 43 years!) he has never felt anything but welcome when we are north of the border. I lived and worked in England all my working life and can say the same.
The animosity was whipped up by the 'Better Together' campaigners, of that I have no doubt. It was sad to see it and it was totally unecessary. Truth was all that was desired, lies are what we got.
The 'Vow' has not been met - I for one didn't believe it would be. Tell the people one thing before the referendum and then renege on it afterwards. It is the truth and quite frankly another referndum should be called on that issue alone.
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Post by norty on Sept 20, 2015 15:14:08 GMT
No politician can make you fly the flag if you don't want to! The groundswell is amazing and it is the people of Scotland that will untimately make the decision. I am married to an Englishman, very happily for 43 years!) he has never felt anything but welcome when we are north of the border. I lived and worked in England all my working life and can say the same. The animosity was whipped up by the 'Better Together' campaigners, of that I have no doubt. It was sad to see it and it was totally unecessary. Truth was all that was desired, lies are what we got. The 'Vow' has not been met - I for one didn't believe it would be. Tell the people one thing before the referendum and then renege on it afterwards. It is the truth and quite frankly another referndum should be called on that issue alone. a) I feel like I have no option but to fight for my vote to be counted (55%) as its being totally disregarded by the politicians of Scotland. Once in a generation vote? My arse!
b) The groundswell was not amazing to live in, in Edinburgh and all over Scotland the Yes and No campaigns were fighting hard to be heard, but as you well know the Yes lot shouted out in debates, shouted down politicians, threw eggs at party leaders trying to get their point across. That is not amazing, that is harassment and violent. My husband who campaigned for the No's was told as he entered a block of flats "Don't go in there, you'll be murdered!" by a couple of thugs wearing Yes stickers and waving them. On hearing this when he got home, I begged him not to go out again. I'm proud to say he wasn't going to let in his words, 'Nationalist shites' stop him. He has been a proud Scot for all his days.
c) But the biggest issue I have with what you've written above is that Better Together whipped up the animosity. The animosity was plain to see if you lived here and it wasn't the BT dishing it out.
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Post by starlilolill on Sept 20, 2015 16:02:10 GMT
As always it depends on which side of the fence you're sitting on. There was hostilites on both sides from what I can remember - threats etc so it really wasn't all one way.
Anyway, Cameron has got it all down in black and white now so he'll be able to read where the shortfall on the 'vow' is. I'm sure he knows where the promises have been broken, probably just needs a wee reminder.
No matter where you stand whether that is in England, Scotland, Ireland or Wales I would say that if a promise is made and you vote accordingly then that promise should be kept. Wouldn't you agree?
Politicians seem to think it is fine to get elected on a certain set of principles and then throw them out ASAP afterwards - we shouldn't let them!
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Post by Arfurmo on Sept 20, 2015 16:27:05 GMT
The English should have been allowed to vote on the dissolution of the Union It is nothing short of absurd that Polish people were allowed to vote on the dissolution of the Union and non-English speaking South Asians Had the English been allowed to vote on the dissolution of their Union perhaps the harridan Sturgeon may well have got her way
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Post by starlilolill on Sept 20, 2015 18:33:06 GMT
The English should have been allowed to vote on the dissolution of the Union It is nothing short of absurd that Polish people were allowed to vote on the dissolution of the Union and non-English speaking South Asians Had the English been allowed to vote on the dissolution of their Union perhaps the harridan Sturgeon may well have got her way What total rubbish you spout! The residents, yes residents, of Scotland had the right to vote because, who'd have thunk it, they actually live there! As a Scot I didn't have a vote because I don't live there - no complaint from me. I am hoping to be back before the next referendum!!! I believe that some posters (English) want rid of Scotland - be careful what you wish for is all I'm going to say on that one! Now, your refernce to Nicola Sturgeon is just downright rude.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 8:36:25 GMT
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Post by arfurmo on Sept 21, 2015 9:31:33 GMT
Hmmmm.... I have had a posting deleted from this thread Are explanations in order or is that beneath the dignity of this board?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 9:38:59 GMT
Hmmmm.... I have had a posting deleted from this thread Are explanations in order or is that beneath the dignity of this board? Well, why not register PA? , then we can discuss things whether or not we agree with what you say.
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Post by arfurmo on Sept 21, 2015 9:55:28 GMT
Hmmmm.... I have had a posting deleted from this thread Are explanations in order or is that beneath the dignity of this board? Well, why not register PA? , then we can discuss things whether or not we agree with what you say. I have done so - it seems visitors are no longer allowed
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Post by ARENA on Sept 21, 2015 10:10:43 GMT
I have not deleted anyone's posting.
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Post by starlilolill on Sept 21, 2015 11:01:10 GMT
I won't stoop as low as you on nastiness - I'm off. Have a good day, if that is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 11:26:14 GMT
Tantrum noted. All I did was point out the definition of harridan.
And it so happens I don't much care for Sturgeons particular brand of politics. You from what you have written do. That is nothing personal regarding Sturgeon - I have never met her, and I would feel the same about any politician of any colour who was hell bent on decimating the UK as we know it.
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Post by norty on Sept 21, 2015 11:33:13 GMT
It's interesting though that only Scotland was given the opportunity to have their say about breaking up the Union. The rest of Britain weren't given that luxury. It is possibly fairer that every one throughout the land is given the vote as to whether sections of the UK should separate. Of course some mightn't give a toss, but others feel very strongly on side or another. Perhaps we should have another referendum that includes everyone.
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