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Post by rikiiboy on Apr 15, 2024 9:28:59 GMT
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Post by rikiiboy on Apr 15, 2024 16:08:17 GMT
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Post by rikiiboy on Apr 15, 2024 22:08:15 GMT
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Post by rikiiboy on Apr 16, 2024 11:16:02 GMT
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Post by rikiiboy on Apr 17, 2024 7:04:28 GMT
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Post by rikiiboy on Apr 17, 2024 7:22:36 GMT
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Post by rikiiboy on Apr 17, 2024 8:25:42 GMT
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Post by marispiper on Apr 17, 2024 8:35:38 GMT
Hildie: You have really enlightened me regarding the background to M&S closures.
OK so with shopping, times change to some degree but if someone else owns your store then the overheads soon cancel takings.
All because easy money was on offer.
Grrr...
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Post by marispiper on Apr 17, 2024 8:50:46 GMT
I was pleased about the ruling of no prayer in the Wembley school.
It's a secular school and the ethos there is that all pupils are treated equally without concession or favour to race or creed.
Thankfully, everyone is free to practice their religion in this country - and I say that as a Catholic myself - but such demands (and they are demands) from some adherents of Islam are aggression, in that the demand should hold sway. We should resist this - along with more extreme aggression such as the hounding of the teacher, still in hiding over death threats, for showing an image of the prophet.
Of course, it's fear which gives the edge - and that is what we shouldn't, and needn't be intimidated by.
In fact, a society such as the one that exists in that school would be a fine thing.
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Post by rikiiboy on Apr 17, 2024 11:02:44 GMT
I was pleased about the ruling of no prayer in the Wembley school. It's a secular school and the ethos there is that all pupils are treated equally without concession or favour to race or creed. Thankfully, everyone is free to practice their religion in this country - and I say that as a Catholic myself - but such demands (and they are demands) from some adherents of Islam are aggression, in that the demand should hold sway. We should resist this - along with more extreme aggression such as the hounding of the teacher, still in hiding over death threats, for showing an image of the prophet. Of course, it's fear which gives the edge - and that is what we shouldn't, and needn't be intimidated by. In fact, a society such as the one that exists in that school would be a fine thing. What I am about to write will offend some I am sure, I personally think that parents should have no right to choose any child's faith from birth, in a democratic society people be able should choose their own religion, if they want to do so when they reach at the very least 18 yoa. |
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Post by hild1066 on Apr 17, 2024 11:52:30 GMT
Rikki, I think it is fine for parents to choose their child's religion as long as the child is taught that in the UK, adults can make their own mind up about these things. We never really talk about Muslims who now consider themselves secular, but they are growing in number and are mostly under 40.
Re the school, as I understand it the judgement was in favour of the school because both the child and the parent understood before selecting the school that it was secular and no worship of any kind would be allowed on the premises. Muslim advice was that midday prayers can be caught up on later in the day, as all over the world many Muslims cannot stop work, travelling or being ill to take part. The girl had attended for some time before she decided to put her blazer on the ground in the yard and start praying, inviting others to join her.
The judge disagreed that she should have been excluded all of this time and felt that mediation could have allowed her onto the premises.
I am not sure it sets a precedent for all schools, as they will not have set themselves up precisely as secular schools and their literature and websites won't make this clear to parents. If they have any collective Christian worship, then they would be expected to provide facilities for children of other faiths are well, typically a room they could wait in - not necessarily pray in. Except were there are space and staffing concerns e.g. if it takes more than two staff to supervise an area or the space isn't easily available without rearranging things. All of these are regulations they are not rules. My daughters went to a girls Catholic School and children who were not Catholic 'could sit at the back of the hall and if they wished, take part in the service and receive a blessing' as opposed to taking mass. It was optional from the point onwards after I made that change (the bit in quotes) with the Mother Superior, the lovely and compassionate Mary Aelred.
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Post by rikiiboy on Apr 17, 2024 12:15:42 GMT
Rikki, I think it is fine for parents to choose their child's religion as long as the child is taught that in the UK, adults can make their own mind up about these things. We never really talk about Muslims who now consider themselves secular, but they are growing in number and are mostly under 40. Re the school, as I understand it the judgement was in favour of the school because both the child and the parent understood before selecting the school that it was secular and no worship of any kind would be allowed on the premises. Muslim advice was that midday prayers can be caught up on later in the day, as all over the world many Muslims cannot stop work, travelling or being ill to take part. The girl had attended for some time before she decided to put her blazer on the ground in the yard and start praying, inviting others to join her. The judge disagreed that she should have been excluded all of this time and felt that mediation could have allowed her onto the premises. I am not sure it sets a precedent for all schools, as they will not have set themselves up precisely as secular schools and their literature and websites won't make this clear to parents. If they have any collective Christian worship, then they would be expected to provide facilities for children of other faiths are well, typically a room they could wait in - not necessarily pray in. Except were there are space and staffing concerns e.g. if it takes more than two staff to supervise an area or the space isn't easily available without rearranging things. All of these are regulations they are not rules. My daughters went to a girls Catholic School and children who were not Catholic 'could sit at the back of the hall and if they wished, take part in the service and receive a blessing' as opposed to taking mass. It was optional from the point onwards after I made that change (the bit in quotes) with the Mother Superior, the lovely and compassionate Mary Aelred. Hi Hilda, of course this is only my opinion, others quite rightly are entitled to "their" own opinion, but we still allow people here who would want the death penalty for apostasy and sadly end up maiming (or murdering ) especially women for rejecting partners that their parents have decided they should honour. |
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Post by rikiiboy on Apr 17, 2024 19:05:56 GMT
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Post by rikiiboy on Apr 18, 2024 7:36:49 GMT
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Post by marispiper on Apr 18, 2024 7:56:32 GMT
Yes, I heard that this morning - some of those arrested are in Essex. I'd love to know where! Who knew that you could pay 300 quid a month for a course showing you ways to rob people blind! |
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