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Post by marispiper on Jul 20, 2024 8:37:53 GMT
Fantastic scheme idea in the Canaries, Hildie. So simple. The only aspect of it we'd be no good at is the execution of it 😐 You have to have robust systems to make it work.That's where we fall down. It' reminds me of situations in school when tackling things like behaviour. You come up with a plan, a simple initiative to start to address it...and if all staff followed through, it'd work and the atmosphere would improve. But no - you get two or three staff who don't bother/can't be ar*sed and the whole thing unravels. Everyone involved needs to make the decision to be on board. Some aren't on board before they've even started.. It could work on a county level, but much harder nationwide. The Canaries are small. In Bavaria people claiming asylum are expected to help out in return for benefits. The council posts work, for which you will be paid at 1€ph. This might be cleaning up after local flooding, cleaning streets etc. If you don't turn up you get your benefits reduced for that month. This is because as part of your claim for asylum you agree to support the community. On average about half of the registered asylum seekers in a town turn up and the others get money reduced. This also helps to alert authorities to who is still about and who may have disappeared or is working illegally. Each town has a team whose job it is to locate the people who don't turn up. In practice that might be just phoning them and notifying them the benefits are going down, but it could also mean a visit from customs officials and you don't know which it will be. Not that any country is very worried about asylum seekers leaving but they do need to know to stop the benefits Good Hildie - and simple too - it boils down to being on the case (again) It begs the question why we don't learn from other approaches (instead of hair brained schemes like Rwanda) |
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Post by rikiiboy on Jul 20, 2024 17:20:01 GMT
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Post by hild1066 on Jul 20, 2024 18:52:47 GMT
It could work on a county level, but much harder nationwide. The Canaries are small. In Bavaria people claiming asylum are expected to help out in return for benefits. The council posts work, for which you will be paid at 1€ph. This might be cleaning up after local flooding, cleaning streets etc. If you don't turn up you get your benefits reduced for that month. This is because as part of your claim for asylum you agree to support the community. On average about half of the registered asylum seekers in a town turn up and the others get money reduced. This also helps to alert authorities to who is still about and who may have disappeared or is working illegally. Each town has a team whose job it is to locate the people who don't turn up. In practice that might be just phoning them and notifying them the benefits are going down, but it could also mean a visit from customs officials and you don't know which it will be. Not that any country is very worried about asylum seekers leaving but they do need to know to stop the benefits Good Hildie - and simple too - it boils down to being on the case (again) It begs the question why we don't learn from other approaches (instead of hair brained schemes like Rwanda) Because Rwanda meant sending people out of the country. Mind you it only meant sending 150 a year. Although the Tories said that 'could' rise to 500. A drop in the ocean and the deal was reciprocal. We agreed in return to take 50 refugees in Rwandan UN Camps that had chronic health problems or disabilities. The Tories were always vague on that but it is written into the deal. So for every 150 we got 50 back. Instead Labour and France, are talking to Italy and Albania about setting up processing centres there. Both of these countries would be deemed safe. Germany is in negotiations with Greece. Spain is considering giving Morocco money to stop the boats and process people there. |
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Post by rikiiboy on Jul 21, 2024 7:51:29 GMT
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Post by ARENA on Jul 21, 2024 12:33:21 GMT
Without knowing any of the relevant details. I can't begin to answer that Riki. Where exactly was he found. How long had he been there. Was it easily accessible. etc. |
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Post by rikiiboy on Jul 21, 2024 18:26:27 GMT
Without knowing any of the relevant details. I can't begin to answer that Riki. Where exactly was he found. How long had he been there. Was it easily accessible. etc. [The 19-year-old's body was found in a remote ravine in Tenerife almost a month after he disappeared. Jay Slater was just four days into his first holiday without his family when he made his last panicked phone call to Lucy Law, one of the friends he had travelled to Tenerife with for a music festival.] |
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Post by rikiiboy on Jul 21, 2024 22:12:18 GMT
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Post by marispiper on Jul 22, 2024 7:41:54 GMT
Without knowing any of the relevant details. I can't begin to answer that Riki. Where exactly was he found. How long had he been there. Was it easily accessible. etc. [The 19-year-old's body was found in a remote ravine in Tenerife almost a month after he disappeared. Jay Slater was just four days into his first holiday without his family when he made his last panicked phone call to Lucy Law, one of the friends he had travelled to Tenerife with for a music festival.] I would guess you feel this family's pain. |
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Post by rikiiboy on Jul 22, 2024 7:56:58 GMT
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Post by rikiiboy on Jul 23, 2024 6:09:36 GMT
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Post by rikiiboy on Jul 23, 2024 6:33:18 GMT
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Post by rikiiboy on Jul 24, 2024 7:34:55 GMT
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Post by rikiiboy on Jul 24, 2024 13:27:22 GMT
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Post by ARENA on Jul 25, 2024 5:39:57 GMT
Without knowing any of the relevant details. I can't begin to answer that Riki. Where exactly was he found. How long had he been there. Was it easily accessible. etc. [The 19-year-old's body was found in a remote ravine in Tenerife almost a month after he disappeared. Jay Slater was just four days into his first holiday without his family when he made his last panicked phone call to Lucy Law, one of the friends he had travelled to Tenerife with for a music festival.] This comes as new photos show the desolate ravine where Jay’s remains were discovered after a desperate month-long search. The lonely spot, which has a steep drop to the ground below, is overgrown with dense vegetation, and is almost inaccessible by foot. Teams would have needed ropes to gain access to the area, all while navigating changeable weather conditions. |
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Post by rikiiboy on Jul 25, 2024 17:14:14 GMT
S**t for brains?
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