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Post by hild1066 on Jun 29, 2020 21:31:32 GMT
Now they have said Leicester will lock down for two more weeks, how do you think they will police it?
Will they be checking people leaving and entering or just patrolling the streets?
Also as the local Mps have been flagging this up for about 3 weeks will places like pubs and restaurants be compensated. I'm just thinking that lots of pubs will have bought in beer etc and real ale has a short shelf life and restaurants must have bought in food for bookings they've taken.
Also lots of people will have taken staff off furlough so can they put them back on?
Are the schools staying open?
I missed the actual announcement so if this was all explained please excuse me.
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Post by jimmy2020 on Jun 30, 2020 8:23:22 GMT
This coming weekend is unlock time for lots of the hospitality industry, pubs etc, and schools in England are to fully reopen in September despite the teachers reservations
It has been revealed that children in Leicester where there has been a massive spike in infections are carrying the virus according to Dr Hilary. That does not bode well for teacher co-operation
Along with this we have seen the packed beaches. it looks as if people believe that it is over
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Post by hild1066 on Jun 30, 2020 11:41:33 GMT
There was a GP on the radio who said it could be linked to the opening of two factories and also the Eid celebrations. He thought that the messages about children and the disease had not been very clear and easy to interpret. They did vary from children don't get it to children only get it mildly - of course that all related to small children. On that basis many children from large family groups had been allowed to play together in gardens and streets and then go back to their multi-generational family homes and even though many families were staying apart they were sharing food for the celebrations etc., taking it to other houses and leaving it there. Pretty much how many families work when their is a family buffet e.g. you do the quiche and I'll do the salads etc.
I don't think there is any concrete data on it yet, there should be some, as the number of cases has been rising sharply since end of May.
There are other towns on Hancock's at risk list. I haven't seen it but a work colleague said Gateshead and Sunderland are on there, which is strange as locally the NHS are reporting a massive drop in cases. I think there must be a lot of estimation in all of this based on local knowledge. But then 20 odd of my work colleagues met for a party at the weekend and the manager went so what can you do about people being idiots.
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Post by jonjel2 on Jun 30, 2020 13:20:19 GMT
You will never be able to legislate for idiots Hilde, and sadly a lot of legislation is being ignored. One prime example is the tonnage of litter being left anywhere crowds have congregated. The people responsible could be fined, but I have yet to hear of anyone who has been fined.
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Post by ARENA on Jun 30, 2020 13:42:13 GMT
You will never be able to legislate for idiots Hilde, and sadly a lot of legislation is being ignored. One prime example is the tonnage of litter being left anywhere crowds have congregated. The people responsible could be fined, but I have yet to hear of anyone who has been fined. You will never be able to legislate whilst Government employees are flauting the law and openly lying, whilst elected officials back their lying excuses. Were you ever in doubt that this would be the ouitcome? |
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Post by jonjel2 on Jun 30, 2020 14:02:01 GMT
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Post by jimmy2020 on Jun 30, 2020 14:17:24 GMT
As far as I'm aware those Labour MPs who broke the lockdown and rules immediately apologised or were sacked Cummings and Jenrick who both broke the lockdown by driving to visit relatives have neither apologised or been sacked, in fact are backed by Johnson. Jenrick has also been found out over a planning application and party donation, the stench of which is overwhelming |
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Post by jonjel2 on Jun 30, 2020 14:39:13 GMT
The two I mentioned were neither sacked nor apologised. And I am sure there are others on both sides of the political divide.
Now where were we? Ah, regional lockdowns. I think they will be more frequent now that the disease is at numbers where regional lockdowns start to be effective. |
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Post by jimmy2020 on Jun 30, 2020 14:44:04 GMT
The two I mentioned were neither sacked nor apologised. And I am sure there are others on both sides of the political divide.
Now where were we? Ah, regional lockdowns. I think they will be more frequent now that the disease is at numbers where regional lockdowns start to be effective. From your link "Mr Ali confirmed he was among a gathering of mourners to visit Sutton New Hall Cemetery in Sutton Coldfield on Wednesday, and later issued a public apology." |
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Post by aubrey on Jul 1, 2020 11:52:49 GMT
Cummings not only did not apologise, he tried to make out that he had stayed in London, and then (when that didn't work) that he had done nothing wrong, and was even given a special broadcast to the nation in order to say it (for which he kept the nation waiting for half an hour for no good reason other than that he could).
Then he got his supporters to say that he'd only done it out of love for his family, so telling everyone who had followed his rules that they didn't love their family enough.
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Post by hild1066 on Jul 1, 2020 12:27:45 GMT
As of yesterday a group of young trainee barristers has received permission to take out a private prosecution against Cummings for his breach of lock down law. Judges agreed that they had enough evidence to bring the case and obviously they have a pretty damming interview to use as well.
They say they were minded to do this as no constabulary through which Cummings passed or in which jurisdiction he stayed was prepared to take any action despite the fact that many ordinary people were and are still being fined for doing much less; such as leaving a child with a grandparent for one night so that they could go to work at a hospital. The judges agreed that as Cummings did not seek local authority help and advice regarding childcare, it is a case worthy of a hearing. As a key worker his child could have gone to school and if they were sick he could have been temporarily supported within the area, either by a worker in the house or at another house. However what we now know is that by the time Cummings became ill his wife had recovered and it was the child who was sick, but not with Covid 19. Therefore like many families in the country, they were able to cope with a household sickness and did not actually obtain any help from his family, other than food deliveries and if they had both become sick enough to be in hospital, then they would have been putting extra pressure on a rural county with only two hospitals able to cope with the disease as opposed to the numerous hospitals in London available on their door step.
Durham Constabulary have since said that the 'cottage' on Cumming's family land was built without planning permission and not subject to building regulations but at this time they will not prosecute the family.. Goes without saying really doesn't it!!!
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Post by hild1066 on Jul 1, 2020 13:14:41 GMT
Regional Lockdowns
How do we know? As someone who lives in Sunderland the city second only to Leicester in the Covid rankings, we are all asking the question how do we know?
Sunderland is in a strange position. It used to be the largest town in Country Durham and then became a town within Tyne and Wear and latterly a city. Prior to the creation of Tyne and Wear, all of the villages, small towns and hamlets around it had an SR post code. 90% of these then remained within County Durham after the change but kept their SR post code.
During this pandemic approximately 65% of admissions to Sunderland Hospital have been from County Durham (Durham is a large county with only two hospitals). We know from data published in the local paper after a lot of pressure from the MPs that the bulk of these cases come from a small group of villages in Durham. People from Sunderland are also being admitted to North Tees Hospital and James Coo Hospital in Teesside - for strokes and heart attacks etc. but also then testing positive for Covid and presumably appearing in Middlesbrough data.
How do we actually acquire the data that says Sunderland is the second highest city, when 65% of cases are not from Sunderland but still within places that have an SR post code. The answer is that we can't. It appears that tests carried out by Public Health England and the NHS are able to drill down to the actual places people live and work, but those carried out in private labs are not. I suspect this is to do with the tendering process, in so much as they were never initially asked to provide this detailed data analysis, but probably are now.
Despite our ranking, Sunderland does not have a testing centre, therefore unless you are admitted to the hospital you can't have had a test in Sunderland at all. There has been no large scale testing in care homes, specialist colleges or the hospitals, they haven't even gone into Nissan and tested there. The Nightingale Hospital at Washington hasn't had a single occupant - actually it hasn't got a single bed - I don't think it was ever finished. Sunderland Hospital was never short of PPE, never ran out of space or ventilators so how are we that far up the ratings. It's a mystery.
Is it all just baloney. Probably not, but we do need local knowledge to sort this out and I think the govt will have to pay the private labs more to get them to provide the data, because I am guessing that wasn't in the tender and was just a presumption because well, public services have been doing this stuff for years so why wouldn't the private sector.
Anyway back to the original question. How do we know we are the second largest Covid rate in the country, how will we ever know?
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Post by jimmy2020 on Jul 1, 2020 13:34:34 GMT
As of yesterday a group of young trainee barristers has received permission to take out a private prosecution against Cummings for his breach of lock down law. Judges agreed that they had enough evidence to bring the case and obviously they have a pretty damming interview to use as well. They say they were minded to do this as no constabulary through which Cummings passed or in which jurisdiction he stayed was prepared to take any action despite the fact that many ordinary people were and are still being fined for doing much less; such as leaving a child with a grandparent for one night so that they could go to work at a hospital. The judges agreed that as Cummings did not seek local authority help and advice regarding childcare, it is a case worthy of a hearing. As a key worker his child could have gone to school and if they were sick he could have been temporarily supported within the area, either by a worker in the house or at another house. However what we now know is that by the time Cummings became ill his wife had recovered and it was the child who was sick, but not with Covid 19. Therefore like many families in the country, they were able to cope with a household sickness and did not actually obtain any help from his family, other than food deliveries and if they had both become sick enough to be in hospital, then they would have been putting extra pressure on a rural county with only two hospitals able to cope with the disease as opposed to the numerous hospitals in London available on their door step. Durham Constabulary have since said that the 'cottage' on Cumming's family land was built without planning permission and not subject to building regulations but at this time they will not prosecute the family.. Goes without saying really doesn't it!!! It's just power crazy, typical of this government The latest defence that Cummings has put out, written by Freddy Forsythe that successful fiction author, is that the child is autistic. Others, one with three such children managed though to stay within the rules |
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Post by althea on Jul 1, 2020 15:36:40 GMT
It seems that some people are carrying and spreading the disease, while having no symptoms themselves.
This is just another complication in a very difficult situation.
We really should all be social distancing .
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Post by jonjel2 on Jul 1, 2020 16:16:08 GMT
It seems that some people are carrying and spreading the disease, while having no symptoms themselves. This is just another complication in a very difficult situation. We really should all be social distancing . But a lot of people seem to be more interested in scoring political points over this pandemic. I have said, and I repeat, this is far too serious to politicise.
But quite a few people think it is all over and will be booking holidays abroad regardless and rushing to the pub this weekend, or fighting over bargains in the shops which re-open.
We have been working sometimes late into the night with a company who have been working 24/7 producing parts for ventilators, and were told today, with a lovely letter of thanks that they wont have to be used. To my mind that is fabulous news. Others will say what a bloody waste of time and money.
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