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Post by hild1066 on Jul 1, 2020 16:49:51 GMT
Actually JJ, this is exactly the type of case that Chambers would give to its trainee barristers. The research, the planning strategy, the test of law are perfect for them, especially when they have such contrary statements from the man himself. Political or not, it would on the face of it appear to be one rule for the elite and one rule for the rest, that is why private prosecution is the route, because none of the constabularies prosecuted.
And let's not forget he broke the law in every Constabulary starting with his own in London and each one he passed through.
Autistic or not is quite irrelevant and no defence, having a son with special needs would have meant he had priority access to child care which would have enabled him to have his nanny/au pair back in the house. He was well aware of this because that is the only reason his wife was allowed to stay overnight in the hospital with the child, when all other parents were not allowed to do that. He was also lying when he said that despite having Covid he had to pick them up from hospital because no taxis were working. They were and as key workers all taxi firms have been available.
So yes a perfect test case for trainee barristers. After all he got a barrister to write his defence statement and then faced some useless journalists, none of whom put the right questions.
He was seen several times on his day out in Barnard Castle and parked in two different locations.
And yes, it is political because this man attended the meetings that decided the law that once enacted resulted in other people being fined.
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Post by hild1066 on Jul 1, 2020 16:58:20 GMT
As of yesterday a group of young trainee barristers has received permission to take out a private prosecution against Cummings for his breach of lock down law. Judges agreed that they had enough evidence to bring the case and obviously they have a pretty damming interview to use as well. They say they were minded to do this as no constabulary through which Cummings passed or in which jurisdiction he stayed was prepared to take any action despite the fact that many ordinary people were and are still being fined for doing much less; such as leaving a child with a grandparent for one night so that they could go to work at a hospital. The judges agreed that as Cummings did not seek local authority help and advice regarding childcare, it is a case worthy of a hearing. As a key worker his child could have gone to school and if they were sick he could have been temporarily supported within the area, either by a worker in the house or at another house. However what we now know is that by the time Cummings became ill his wife had recovered and it was the child who was sick, but not with Covid 19. Therefore like many families in the country, they were able to cope with a household sickness and did not actually obtain any help from his family, other than food deliveries and if they had both become sick enough to be in hospital, then they would have been putting extra pressure on a rural county with only two hospitals able to cope with the disease as opposed to the numerous hospitals in London available on their door step. Durham Constabulary have since said that the 'cottage' on Cumming's family land was built without planning permission and not subject to building regulations but at this time they will not prosecute the family.. Goes without saying really doesn't it!!! It's just power crazy, typical of this government The latest defence that Cummings has put out, written by Freddy Forsythe that successful fiction author, is that the child is autistic. Others, one with three such children managed though to stay within the rules I agree parents with profoundly disabled children with complex needs and challenging behaviour have had to cope with day centre being closed, respite centres being closed, physio and occupation therapies cancelled and one of them catching Covid. I can name one family in exactly this situation and even when both had Covid the council could not offer respite. I work with their child and we went immediately and brought her back into the college through the day time so they could have a break. It also helped with isolation. One of our staff agreed to go to the house and stay with her separate from her parents until she was asleep - for no extra pay. And eventually everyone recovered. They could have driven from the North East to their sister-in-law house in Essex for some help but they didn't because the law said not to. |
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Post by jonjel2 on Jul 1, 2020 17:07:19 GMT
Actually JJ, this is exactly the type of case that Chambers would give to its trainee barristers. The research, the planning strategy, the test of law are perfect for them, especially when they have such contrary statements from the man himself. Political or not, it would on the face of it appear to be one rule for the elite and one rule for the rest, that is why private prosecution is the route, because none of the constabularies prosecuted. And let's not forget he broke the law in every Constabulary starting with his own in London and each one he passed through. Autistic or not is quite irrelevant and no defence, having a son with special needs would have meant he had priority access to child care which would have enabled him to have his nanny/au pair back in the house. He was well aware of this because that is the only reason his wife was allowed to stay overnight in the hospital with the child, when all other parents were not allowed to do that. He was also lying when he said that despite having Covid he had to pick them up from hospital because no taxis were working. They were and as key workers all taxi firms have been available. So yes a perfect test case for trainee barristers. After all he got a barrister to write his defence statement and then faced some useless journalists, none of whom put the right questions. He was seen several times on his day out in Barnard Castle and parked in two different locations. And yes, it is political because this man attended the meetings that decided the law that once enacted resulted in other people being fined. But I was not commenting on that, I was addressing the point made by Hilde
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Post by hild1066 on Jul 2, 2020 11:48:59 GMT
They you go then, a bit of pressure from the MPs and we now discover that Sunderland is not the second worst city in England it is not even third. fourth, fifth or sixth.
This data gathering leaves a lot to be desired.
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Post by althea on Jul 2, 2020 12:08:47 GMT
I don't believe any statistics I have seen so far. There are lies, damned lies and then , there are statistics.
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Post by jimmy2020 on Jul 2, 2020 13:52:05 GMT
"But a lot of people seem to be more interested in scoring political points over this pandemic."
If you consider criticising the government for doing too little too late then i will plead guilty
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Post by jonjel2 on Jul 2, 2020 14:09:50 GMT
"But a lot of people seem to be more interested in scoring political points over this pandemic." If you consider criticising the government for doing too little too late then i will plead guilty Some people will criticise them regardless of what they did and when. Hindsight is the same as being wise after the event. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. |
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Post by jimmy2020 on Jul 2, 2020 14:24:17 GMT
"But a lot of people seem to be more interested in scoring political points over this pandemic." If you consider criticising the government for doing too little too late then i will plead guilty Some people will criticise them regardless of what they did and when. Hindsight is the same as being wise after the event. Damned if they do and damned if they don't. Sorry, in my case and others we were pressing for a lockdown at the start, nothing to do with hindsight Delays in getting PPE to the frontline caused so many workers to die, old people stuffed into old peoples homes with no idea if they had the virus, delay in getting getting organised, 60.000 deaths , the list is endless And Johnson is proud of his record  |
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Post by ARENA on Jul 2, 2020 14:24:38 GMT
And some people will support them regardless of the facts.
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Post by hild1066 on Jul 2, 2020 14:27:53 GMT
I think that suggesting any govt cannot be criticised during whatever emergency is taking place is just not feasible. Opposition parties and indeed members within the govt have been elected to serve the people and we have a system where decisions and plans can be questioned and criticised, where evidence can be asked for, where discussion and debate can take place. This week Theresa May criticised an appointment to the Security Committee as in her opinion it was being given to an untried and inexperienced person. She has rarely spoken since she stepped down so we must presume she found this very important and wanted to go on the record voicing her opposition.
Even during the wartime coalition there were strikes, threatened strikes, opposing views, points of order, changes in legislation. In the 1957 pandemic there was party agreement not to make it part of the upcoming elections and this was adhered too but the govts bad handling of the situation still inevitably affected the vote as approx. 70-80K people had died.
There has never been a time since full democracy was enacted that govts haven't been questioned over serious issues, be that the Falklands War or the Iraq War and I cite these because they were different parties in power.
The govt is not dammed if it does and dammed if it doesn't - they can't say they are following the science and then when the scientists disagree with govt decisions turn around and criticise the scientists. We are not as dumb as they make us out to be, everyone I think is aware that we have to support the economy as well as deal with the disease. We cannot be shut down for much longer or too many jobs will be lost, there has to be a balance, but you can't say it's the clinical science that is driving it at that point when it is clear it has become predominantly economic necessity. Tell us that and tell us how best to deal with it.
People are worried about their job security, their future employment prospects, how they will survive on benefits so tell people that this is why you are phasing out lock down and set up a programme of workplace inspections and licensee checks, work based testing and making the wearing of masks a requirement if that is what it takes. Just don't keep saying its the science, because the scientific answer to this is quarantine as it stands currently and that just isn't going to work in the real world.
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Post by aubrey on Jul 2, 2020 14:38:29 GMT
Now Johnson's father is showing the Govt what he thinks of their stupid lockdowns in it by buggering off to his third home in Greece, going via Bulgaria to circumvent the rules. Sticking up for the little man against the elites! Good for him!
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Post by aubrey on Jul 2, 2020 15:07:52 GMT
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Post by hild1066 on Jul 2, 2020 18:53:36 GMT
I don't think it's illegal for him to go to Greece via any route. Lots of people are heading off to their holiday homes for the summer. We are only advised that it may not be wise to travel to another country. It is up to the Greek authorities to decide whether he can stay, should have a test or isolate in his house for some period.
It is, however not exactly what Johnson needs right now and perhaps his father could have waited a week until after travel announcements were made public but I'm sure Johnson Snr doesn't really care.
That said rich people are still flying wherever they want to go in private planes. My cousin's daughter is a pilot for a private jet company, currently flying to and from New York in a 10 seater plane at 80k a pop several times a week.
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Post by hild1066 on Jul 5, 2020 10:01:19 GMT
A picture is emerging in Leicester of sweatshop labour in factories with people packed into buildings with no safety guidelines being followed.
If that is true it is impossible that nobody in the council or local govt knew anything about this. If it is also true that these sweatshops are being run by British Asian businesses then there needs to be a clampdown and prosecutions.
We cannot have this here.
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Post by jonjel2 on Jul 5, 2020 10:31:22 GMT
I have a large customer in Leicester, and the crew there are almost exclusively Asian. I became very friendly with the boss. One of the things they made was shoe furniture - the glitzy buckles and other crap you see on some shoes. After the initial production they went out for finishing and packing. The people who did that were paid piece work, and a vey high proportion of those were working from little 'workshops' at home and almost certainly had the entire family working, including children.
As an aside I did something similar when I was about 10. Me and my sis put salt into little squares of blue paper for a local crisp factory! Elf and safely? Don't be silly. I cant remember what we were paid, but probably three parts of bugger all. I gave up very quickly but she carried on for a while. Boxes of the bloody things a man would collect on a Saturday morning and then had over a few shillings. |
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