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Post by ARENA on Aug 29, 2017 14:25:11 GMT
What are you trying to prove? Nothing, simply pointing out what appears to be a mind-blowingly PC idiotic decision. We can only assume that before fostering,people are tested for suitability. One would hope so.
Have this family fostered before? I don't know. What difference would that make?
Is it true that they cannot speak English? That is one of the main reasons this case has been highlighted. Even if only one of them can speak English then it would stand to reason that the language they use within the home will be their native tongue and not English. So intelligible to the child.
Is the child a problem to home? She is five! A five year old is a problem?
How old is she? See above.
OK so this has nothing to do with them being moslem, you are saying. If they were a German,non christian family,where only one fosterer could speak English, it would be just as bad? Quote from the London Metro: As there is a longstanding shortage of foster carers from ethnic minority backgrounds, non-white children are frequently placed in the care of white British foster parents. The reverse is less common.
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Post by starlilolill on Aug 29, 2017 14:31:51 GMT
I thought my comment re suitability was common knowledge! Too hot to get into an argument Arena - perhaps you could Google it.
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Post by hild1066 on Aug 29, 2017 14:34:24 GMT
It would seem to me, that the people or person in the household "who could not speak English" would not be able to fill the child's head with information about western society. She is five, how would she understand a word of it. You could rabbit on for hours and a five year old is not going to get her head around a foreign language that quickly. She would however interpret your mood, your stance, your approach to her. There is a massive shortage of foster families and sometimes I am sure that a care home is the least preferred option for a child of these tender years. It may be that she was put there as an emergency and since then little has been done to look for a home more suited to her needs. None of that however suggests that the family who did foster her were not adequate. If it is true that they removed an item of jewellery that belonged to her then this should be investigated. Children in care have little of their own and they need to hold on to these things. It is very important. I think this is another case of something that could have been done much better but due to expediency wasn't. That in no way suggests that this foster family were in any way to blame.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 15:07:28 GMT
Yes.
My sister is a devout Christian, and she fostered children. One was a young boy from Africa. Although she was a caring person and the child was safe and well cared for I don't think it was the right thing to do and I think the child would have thrived better within his own community customs and belief systems. It is NOT to do with race or colour, it is to do with making every effort to put a vulnerable child into a situation which is familiar to them.
I also dislike the trend that seems to have developed where film stars 'adopt' children from very poor countries together with all the attendant publicity.
Those children are I have no doubt better off than they could ever have been but are being treated almost as trophies,
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Post by aubrey on Aug 29, 2017 15:37:48 GMT
The Mail did invent, or at least add, one thing:
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Post by aubrey on Aug 29, 2017 15:42:35 GMT
20 or 30 years ago there was some fuss over black children being placed with white foster carers, who knew and taught them nothing of their heritage (this is not instead of Englishness, but as well as). The standard answer to that - from papers like the Mail - was that any form of fostering was better for the children than a children's home, and that the children being taught their own heritage was just political correctness gone mad.
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Post by ARENA on Aug 29, 2017 16:11:00 GMT
Could you produce verification of this,other than newspaper tattle? I don't quite know how that could be done, but I am assuming that since it was reported by just about every newspaper, whether they be right wing or left wing, and local MP's are questioning the decision there is a grain of truth in the story. Verification that it is a tissue of lies (twisting the truth as I said.... A spokesperson for Tower Hamlets council said: “While we cannot go into details of a case that would identify a child in foster care, there are inaccuracies in the reporting of it. “For example, the child is in fact fostered by an English speaking family of mixed race in this temporary placement. “We would like to give more details but we are legally restricted to do so. “Tower Hamlets council has the welfare of children at the heart of what we do. The decision to choose foster carers for a child is based on a number of factors including cultural background and proximity to promote contact with the child’s family and the child’s school in order to give them as much stability as possible. “We have always been working towards the child being looked after by a family member and we continue to do so.” Posted on Tuesday 29th August 2017
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Post by aubrey on Aug 29, 2017 17:20:44 GMT
Now the mail have pixelated the face (of a stock image).
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Post by marispiper on Aug 29, 2017 18:22:38 GMT
Ooh..I've been out all day. Seems I have missed the fun! Having been a foster parent and, more recently, Child Protection Officer at school, I can say that finding a foster family is difficult, full-stop. I recall a case where a child at risk had to be taken into care and social workers asked retired foster parents to step in as an emergency. The child was white and had been previously placed with a black family - that placement was not successful. It's very difficult. The child's needs are paramount when seeking a suitable home, but you still have to work with what/who's available. Sometimes this meant having to find a placement out of borough or even in another county. Having been a foster parent, I can tell you the vetting process was extremely rigorous - although I get the impression that local authorities are a lot more flexible now about who they deem suitable, simply because of the dire need. When we did it, the money was not high (although allowances for the child were) They are paid a lot more now, to make it an attractive proposition. One thing is for sure, a foster carer is given strict guidelines regarding your attitude towards the childs parents and background and you must be nonjudgmental. With religion you are not allowed to pass comment upon theirs, nor make them conform to yours (we are RC for example) Personally, I have seen stretched social workers not make the best judgement - that is to say, they end up having to do something that is not ideal, eg leaving a child in a dubious birth family because no alternative was available or placing a child with foster carers not suited to its needs, but the child is,at least, in a place of safety. Perhaps the child in this story was placed in this foster home because there was no alternative at the time.
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Post by aubrey on Aug 29, 2017 19:18:04 GMT
The woman and child in that stock image were not in England either: note the trees.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 30, 2017 7:51:10 GMT
The other thing I wanted to add, is that over the years, the quality of social worker has gone down whereas the complexity of the job has increased. Recruitment is an issue. In my experience, black African social workers were essential and had excellent understanding of family situations for those of their own ethnicity, but sometimes missed or dismissed aspects of concern in white families. Equally, white social workers were often equally 'at sea' with some black family problems and therefore ineffectual. Not only do social workers need absolute understanding of the cultures in which they work, but to be effective in such close involvement, they also need to be accepted by them. That doesn't always happen. Meeting different cultural needs is very complex. With fostering, if there is a friend/relative willing to take this on, following investigation, can approved by local children's services quite quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 8:36:30 GMT
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Post by ARENA on Aug 30, 2017 8:39:23 GMT
But you are convinced, despite the evidence, that the press did not lie?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 8:43:06 GMT
But you are convinced, despite the evidence, that the press did not lie? I don't know, I was not in court.
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Post by ARENA on Aug 30, 2017 8:54:08 GMT
But you are convinced, despite the evidence, that the press did not lie? I don't know, I was not in court. I spent thirty years on Fleet Street convincing saps that a man bit a dog............
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