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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 14:44:03 GMT
You are right Hild, and human nature being as it is, people can and do make mistakes. The money people receive should be secondary, but that might not always be the case. There is a local family I used to know who had many foster children. A substantial house on the outskirts of town. I asked a highly experienced and successful long term foster mum at our foster parent group meeting how she managed to remain distant from emotional involvement with the children she cared for. "Just treat it as a job" was her answer Those who are so critical of social workers failures should look at similar occurrences from teachers who will always squeal "We're not social workers". These are people paid to have a duty of care, and see the children for more hours a day than anyone else including the parents A recent shocking case that made the headlines involved a five year old stealing food at school from other children. He was punished for stealing. Nobody seemed to bother to ask why he was stealing food which to me seems obvious. The poor boy lived in squalor at home and was eventually killed by his parents. I wonder how that teacher sleeps at night
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Post by hild1066 on Aug 30, 2017 15:19:07 GMT
I work in Social Care and if any of the staff we employ said they just treated it as a job we would be scrutinising their performance and putting them on some kind of refresher course. Compassion and Care must be there always, if it is just a job we would suggest that ultimately they go and find another one and we do that several times a year if we come across this attitude. Working with vulnerable people must have an element of vocation, it doesn't work otherwise.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 30, 2017 16:05:22 GMT
Personally I'd rather listen to somebody who wrote newspapers,than somebody who read them. Are you including The Daily Mail?
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Post by marispiper on Aug 30, 2017 16:29:34 GMT
You are right Hild, and human nature being as it is, people can and do make mistakes. The money people receive should be secondary, but that might not always be the case. There is a local family I used to know who had many foster children. A substantial house on the outskirts of town. I asked a highly experienced and successful long term foster mum at our foster parent group meeting how she managed to remain distant from emotional involvement with the children she cared for. "Just treat it as a job" was her answer Those who are so critical of social workers failures should look at similar occurrences from teachers who will always squeal "We're not social workers". These are people paid to have a duty of care, and see the children for more hours a day than anyone else including the parents A recent shocking case that made the headlines involved a five year old stealing food at school from other children. He was punished for stealing. Nobody seemed to bother to ask why he was stealing food which to me seems obvious. The poor boy lived in squalor at home and was eventually killed by his parents. I wonder how that teacher sleeps at night Does that mean you are a foster carer? If so, you must surely know a lot of social workers? As a foster parent myself, I always remember the social worker who 'trained' us saying, treat the child with love and care as you would your own...without the emotion! Gone are the days when a social worker was a middle-aged, levelheaded sensible woman. Nowadays its likely to be a twenty two year old who keeps checking her mirror rather than her notes. That's an anecdote from one of my less than impressive encounters. By contrast, one of the most brilliant was a gay woman who favoured men's clothes and had numerous piercings. She was one awesome professional. In the case to which I think you refer, it was his teachers who alerted children's services. The mother was a convincing liar who hid his maltreatment. As a teacher, I can tell you, I made many a referral to children's services that just went into the ether! You have no idea how hard you have to 'knock on their door' sometimes just to get them to take notice!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 16:41:17 GMT
I work in Social Care and if any of the staff we employ said they just treated it as a job we would be scrutinising their performance and putting them on some kind of refresher course. Compassion and Care must be there always, if it is just a job we would suggest that ultimately they go and find another one and we do that several times a year if we come across this attitude. Working with vulnerable people must have an element of vocation, it doesn't work otherwise. That sounds like just the sort of stuff the PC crowd churn out The woman I referred to was a highly successful fosterer, she just used common senses - something the PC lot have no grasp pf
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Post by ARENA on Aug 30, 2017 17:39:59 GMT
BBC London news: The girl in question is from a mixed background (her father is Muslim) his wife,who is English had her daughter removed because she is a drug addict, The judge said the newspaper reports were erroneous. He has placed the 5 year old in the care of her grandmother, who is.............Muslim.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 30, 2017 19:06:50 GMT
There were a number of things about this that did not ring true... If the child,and her mother, as was stated, were Christians, then a temporary home with a family in that community would've easily have been found and approved, churches being very supportive of their members. Also, documents were seen that contained allegations of what the child had said - but they did not sound like the expressions of a five (or six) year old to me. Sad case, mum an addict and dad untraceable.
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Post by ARENA on Aug 30, 2017 19:59:35 GMT
The thing is that the press lied and lied in a way totally meant to promote Islamaphobia.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 20:08:47 GMT
There were a number of things about this that did not ring true... If the child,and her mother, as was stated, were Christians, then a temporary home with a family in that community would've easily have been found and approved, churches being very supportive of their members. Also, documents were seen that contained allegations of what the child had said - but they did not sound like the expressions of a five (or six) year old to me. Sad case, mum an addict and dad untraceable. Not all Christians attend church or are part of any community I am Christian as far as officialdom is concerned - hospital forms etc - but never attend church other than for births, marriages, and funerals, and have no idea of anyone else who is a Christian
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Post by ARENA on Aug 30, 2017 20:24:41 GMT
An independent commission is going to be set up for The Times (Rupert Murdoch) to explain their reporting of this matter. No doubt that will come to nothing, as usual.
I could tell you ,in my 30 years experience, of many things that were 'bunged under the carpet'.
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Post by honeybear on Aug 31, 2017 8:35:42 GMT
A media invention, including the 'stock' photograph. So you are saying this is 'fake news' and untrue? Well? Save
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Post by marispiper on Aug 31, 2017 10:47:55 GMT
The thing is that the press lied and lied in a way totally meant to promote Islamaphobia. There's a lot of it about isn't there, without it being 'promoted'
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Post by marispiper on Aug 31, 2017 11:00:20 GMT
So you are saying this is 'fake news' and untrue? Well? SaveAspects were true, but the story was based on unreliable material. I have no doubt that the mother claimed that her daughter said these things - it may even be in 'minutes' somewhere. Whether her daughter actually said them is quite another thing. So possibly a 'true' story about something that turned out to be a lie.
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Post by starlilolill on Aug 31, 2017 11:07:42 GMT
Perhaps we have to accept that things go wrong re social care, fostering etc. They do, of that I am in no doubt but please don't bury your heads in the sand and believe all is well!
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Post by hild1066 on Aug 31, 2017 11:13:17 GMT
I work in Social Care and if any of the staff we employ said they just treated it as a job we would be scrutinising their performance and putting them on some kind of refresher course. Compassion and Care must be there always, if it is just a job we would suggest that ultimately they go and find another one and we do that several times a year if we come across this attitude. Working with vulnerable people must have an element of vocation, it doesn't work otherwise. That sounds like just the sort of stuff the PC crowd churn out The woman I referred to was a highly successful fosterer, she just used common senses - something the PC lot have no grasp pf There's nothing PC about it Bryan, it is basic human decency to treat a vulnerable person with compassion and not as a function. That does not mean that there aren't difficult choices and decisions and that sometimes things have to be done that they may object to, it is about treating someone the way you would like to be treated, it is about caring and if we employed someone who turned out to lack that ability to care and show compassion we would be seriously encouraging them to go and find a job where they didn't need it.
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