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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 10:08:07 GMT
Amazing show with performances, light shows projected onto the buildings at Ypres, and singing and recitations Spoilt only by Kirsty Young and a couple of "experts" rabbiting on non stop in a studio when all we wanted to see was what was happening
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Post by hild1066 on Jul 31, 2017 11:54:54 GMT
I thought it was excellent too and I didn't mind the experts because they were all new to me and I had a dread of Worsley, Snow and that posh writer block (I meant bloke but that could be a Freudian slip par excellence) being wheeled out. If you buy the Royal British Legion Passchendaele Poppy Pin made from the brass of shells found in the fields you get an individual grave marker card, telling you something about the person buried in that grave or you may get one that only tells you about the grave as it may be an unknown soldier. They are hoping that the recipients will visit it at some point and commemorate the person's sacrifice. The video about this and the making of the pins is very good (RBL Website).
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Post by ARENA on Jul 31, 2017 12:49:06 GMT
Just one of the hundreds of reasons for staying in the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 13:33:58 GMT
Just one of the hundreds of reasons for staying in the EU. Now that is a comment I really fail to understand, regardless of whether one is pro or anti the EU. What possible difference would being in the EU make to future commemorations, or are you suggesting that if we are out of the EU there is a risk of an event such as Passchendaele being repeated?
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Post by ARENA on Jul 31, 2017 13:39:30 GMT
Just one of the hundreds of reasons for staying in the EU. Now that is a comment I really fail to understand, regardless of whether one is pro or anti the EU. What possible difference would being in the EU make to future commemorations, or are you suggesting that if we are out of the EU there is a risk of an event such as Passchendaele being repeated? I'm sure you do....but then there were people like you in pre-war Belgium.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 14:17:26 GMT
Now that is a comment I really fail to understand, regardless of whether one is pro or anti the EU. What possible difference would being in the EU make to future commemorations, or are you suggesting that if we are out of the EU there is a risk of an event such as Passchendaele being repeated? I'm sure you do....but then there were people like you in pre-war Belgium. Well forgive me, but first I really did not and do not understand what your original point was, and second, I thought, on your own instructions that this board was abuse free. And your latest remark in my view comes pretty close to crossing that line. People like me?
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Post by ARENA on Jul 31, 2017 14:49:28 GMT
I'm sure you do....but then there were people like you in pre-war Belgium. Well forgive me, but first I really did not and do not understand what your original point was, and second, I thought, on your own instructions that this board was abuse free. And your latest remark in my view comes pretty close to crossing that line. People like me? I don't know why you suggest it as abusive.Pre the first war a wave of populism spread across the free world and we all know what it lead to. We now have people like Trump and the May government pedalling the same populism. Inter-racial/religious hatred is increasing at a frightening rate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 15:19:31 GMT
I am not going to get into this too deep, save to say that the world was a very different place 100 years ago. The causes of the first world war were far more complex than a couple of superpowers flexing their muscles.
And for you to accuse me of populism is way off the beam. But then you don't know me at all.
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Post by ARENA on Jul 31, 2017 15:24:15 GMT
I am not going to get into this too deep, save to say that the world was a very different place 100 years ago. The causes of the first world war were far more complex than a couple of superpowers flexing their muscles. And for you to accuse me of populism is way off the beam. But then you don't know me at all. I don't want this to drag on but I would like you to explain to me (obviously I have it wrong) what part of lying to the people in so many ways,to promote brexit, is not populism?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 15:51:20 GMT
I am not going to drag this out either, but when you said
I questioned it, and it was not a personal remark to me or about me as I failed to see what that had to do with the discussion on Passendaele. You then went on to say
That was a little different, and personal.
And I fail even now to understand how you can conflate the slaughter in that war with Brexit. Unfortunately the remain side seems to regard the leave side with total contempt and accuses them constantly of not having enough intelligence to understand the arguments, or to have been able to unpick the truth from the lies. Lies told in bucketful's by both sides.
Now I a going home and getting ready to go to the pub. Something that I will be able to do whether we are in or out of Europe. And with any luck I will still be buying my beer in pints and not litres in the years I have left.
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Post by marispiper on Jul 31, 2017 16:04:42 GMT
Now that is a comment I really fail to understand, regardless of whether one is pro or anti the EU. What possible difference would being in the EU make to future commemorations, or are you suggesting that if we are out of the EU there is a risk of an event such as Passchendaele being repeated? I'm sure you do....but then there were people like you in pre-war Belgium. My goodness! I'm quite dismayed. Surely this board is for discussion and disagreement on issues - even thorny ones. But saying "people like you" to a post, in the context of war, makes it personal and provocative. Something I think we should refrain from.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 16:43:51 GMT
Just one of the hundreds of reasons for staying in the EU. Now that is a comment I really fail to understand, regardless of whether one is pro or anti the EU. What possible difference would being in the EU make to future commemorations, or are you suggesting that if we are out of the EU there is a risk of an event such as Passchendaele being repeated? Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of "Freedom of Movement" It doesn't just apply to Brexiters who seek to stop people coming here, it works the other way too Already if entering Alicante airport already you will no longer be waved through as part of the EU, your fingerprints and eyes will be photographed Post Brexit, if it ever happens, you will need visas etc to attend future commemorations or visit anywhere in Europe. It only needs a Trump to get elected somewhere in Europe and we could have something similar to his ban on Muslims visiting the USA Those who rushed to vote Leave are finding out what they have voted for
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 16:45:17 GMT
I am not going to drag this out either, but when you said I questioned it, and it was not a personal remark to me or about me as I failed to see what that had to do with the discussion on Passendaele. You then went on to say That was a little different, and personal. And I fail even now to understand how you can conflate the slaughter in that war with Brexit. Unfortunately the remain side seems to regard the leave side with total contempt and accuses them constantly of not having enough intelligence to understand the arguments, or to have been able to unpick the truth from the lies. Lies told in bucketful's by both sides. Now I a going home and getting ready to go to the pub. Something that I will be able to do whether we are in or out of Europe. And with any luck I will still be buying my beer in pints and not litres in the years I have left. Do you buy your petrol in litres?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 16:54:11 GMT
Back to the OP, there was another ceremony today at the Tyne Cot cemetery. Basically similar to the one at Ypres last night but more of a religious ceremony to commemorate the actual day that the battle commenced Attended today by Prince Charles but without Camilla, notably he needed a cushion for his back on his seat. Perhaps he will retire from public life like his father
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 17:21:46 GMT
Many years before the EU when Ff were made from aluminium I travelled with no restrictions of any kind throughout Europe All I needed was a passport, no visa, same as now so please don't try scaremongering.
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