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Jun 26, 2016 9:06:01 GMT
Post by Wintershore on Jun 26, 2016 9:06:01 GMT
People also need to remember what democracy is. The referendum was democratic and to call a second one because Remain doesn't like the result would undermine any future referendum. Come to that, should we also declare the Scottish referendum void as well? Nicola Sturgeon is about to do just that An opinion poll published by the Sunday Post newspaper has suggested support for Scottish independence is sitting at 59%, following the UK's vote to leave the EU.
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Jun 26, 2016 9:26:20 GMT
Post by marispiper on Jun 26, 2016 9:26:20 GMT
People also need to remember what democracy is. The referendum was democratic and to call a second one because Remain doesn't like the result would undermine any future referendum. Come to that, should we also declare the Scottish referendum void as well? Nicola Sturgeon is about to do just that As she would! That's the difference, in Scotland Sturgeon, as a politician, has stood up for the best interests of her country's people. In England, swathes of people feel the opposite is true for them. Democracy swept aside by political disarray and worries about the pound/markets, instead of getting on with it. I keep reminding youse, I voted remain, but still accept the result.
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Jun 26, 2016 9:38:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 9:38:12 GMT
If you think it won't be, you're deluding yourself. Suggestions like this are nothing more nor less than an attack on the fundamenta, principles of democracy. They cannot ask the people to make a decision and then refuse to abide by it. Unless, of course, they actually want to incite a revolution. Politicians make all sorts of promises to get elected, and then promptly forget them Ultimate decisions wrest with Parliament, if they decide to go with the millions who voted Remain or act on those demanding a second referendum, it is their decision. Not media writers or arrogant message board posters That is our democracy, we are not a fascist state, yet - I cannot see Johnson or Farage being allowed to take us down that path
And how, exactly, would ignoring the will of the majority who voted Leave be in any way democratic? Democracy does not only apply if the result you get happens to be the one you personally wanted. The only arrogance I can see here is that being demonstrated by the Remain camp in trying to shout down the majority.
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Jun 26, 2016 9:40:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 9:40:27 GMT
And the other sixteen million or so? You mean the 16310742 who would have still voted to leave? Well the 17241241 who would have voted to remain would have won the referendum, obviously. Brexit untruths are unravelling the system, and a lot of people really didn't understand what is going on. That last point is down to the politicians who set the whole thing up without really making sure that people understood what it meant. Cameron et al were in such a rush to save their own bacons that they ran headlong into something that had absolutely no direction. We (Scotland) are better out of it. This whole thing shows us that politics as it currently operates is a joke. Personally, I'm starting to think that we (England) would be better off if Scotland were out of it, too. At least we'd no longer be footing the bill for your free NHS prescriptions.
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Jun 26, 2016 9:42:43 GMT
Post by Wintershore on Jun 26, 2016 9:42:43 GMT
But the majority of the electorate did not vote for Brexit, and the pro-Brexit Daily Mail, which is still spouting its lies about bent bananas and cucumbers says that 1.1 million people regret their vote to leave.
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Jun 26, 2016 9:54:14 GMT
Post by goldelox on Jun 26, 2016 9:54:14 GMT
We will soon see who was lying. The NHS will be greatly enhanced by the vast amounts Britex said we would save from not being in the EU and immigration will cease, apart from the few specialist we want.
BTW If Scotland do split ,we will have permanent right-wing Conservative government for the foreseeable future.
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Jun 26, 2016 10:12:11 GMT
Post by Wintershore on Jun 26, 2016 10:12:11 GMT
Nigel Farage has said that Britain is heading for a recession 'regardless of Brexit'. He (Farage) is saying that what is happening, would have happened anyway. How convenient. The sudden financial crisis is precisely because of Brexit, as can be seen from what happened in the financial markets which were positive when, early in the evening after the polls closed, they went up as it looked like we would remain, but plummeted when it became clear that things were going the other way.
Farage reminds me of one of these people who believed in epicycles. No matter how much evidence there was for heliocentrism, people would devise more and more complex realities to explain what was going on, no matter how absurd they were. They just buried their heads in the sand. Farage is no different. He is clutching at straws, and playing with people's futures.
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Jun 26, 2016 10:14:02 GMT
Post by goldelox on Jun 26, 2016 10:14:02 GMT
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Jun 26, 2016 10:24:29 GMT
Post by marispiper on Jun 26, 2016 10:24:29 GMT
But the majority of the electorate did not vote for Brexit, and the pro-Brexit Daily Mail, which is still spouting its lies about bent bananas and cucumbers says that 1.1 million people regret their vote to leave. What? Those that voted did! Any thatstayed at home/didn't bother, cannot complain!
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Jun 26, 2016 10:24:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 10:24:46 GMT
Nicola Sturgeon is about to do just that As she would! That's the difference, in Scotland Sturgeon, as a politician, has stood up for the best interests of her country's people. In England, swathes of people feel the opposite is true for them. Democracy swept aside by political disarray and worries about the pound/markets, instead of getting on with it. I keep reminding youse, I voted remain, but still accept the result. The Remain camp pointed out the consequences of a Brexit but I don't think even they could have predicted the dire catastrophic consequences starting to emerge The Leavers called it "scaremongering" but the Remainers are being proved right There are plenty in the UK who will not stand by and see their Country ruined by a load of xenophobic bigots
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Jun 26, 2016 10:33:15 GMT
Post by Wintershore on Jun 26, 2016 10:33:15 GMT
But the majority of the electorate did not vote for Brexit, and the pro-Brexit Daily Mail, which is still spouting its lies about bent bananas and cucumbers says that 1.1 million people regret their vote to leave. What? Those that voted did! Any thatstayed at home/didn't bother, cannot complain! They can express their feelings. I did not vote; I was very sick in bed with a heart problem ( myocardial ischemia), and could not get out to go to the polling station. I have already given my opinion on the people who regret their vote above, and I stand by it.
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Jun 26, 2016 10:34:02 GMT
Post by marispiper on Jun 26, 2016 10:34:02 GMT
Good piece. Whether Leave voters had enough information and facts (actually there were none, only conjecture) they were certainly given enough uncontested info by Remain and still ignored it.
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Jun 26, 2016 10:38:26 GMT
Post by marispiper on Jun 26, 2016 10:38:26 GMT
What? Those that voted did! Any thatstayed at home/didn't bother, cannot complain! They can express their feelings. I did not vote; I was very sick in bed with a heart problem ( myocardial ischemia), and could not get out to go to the polling station. I have already given my opinion on the people who regret their vote above, and I stand by it. That is very sad news. I believe there was a facility to arrange a vote by proxy, even on the day but I assume you were not able to do that. Hope you improve soon.
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Jun 26, 2016 10:41:09 GMT
Post by marispiper on Jun 26, 2016 10:41:09 GMT
As she would! That's the difference, in Scotland Sturgeon, as a politician, has stood up for the best interests of her country's people. In England, swathes of people feel the opposite is true for them. Democracy swept aside by political disarray and worries about the pound/markets, instead of getting on with it. I keep reminding youse, I voted remain, but still accept the result. The Remain camp pointed out the consequences of a Brexit but I don't think even they could have predicted the dire catastrophic consequences starting to emerge The Leavers called it "scaremongering" but the Remainers are being proved right There are plenty in the UK who will not stand by and see their Country ruined by a load of xenophobic bigots
Hey Gus..you sounded just like Gordon Brown there
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Jun 26, 2016 10:46:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 10:46:20 GMT
But the majority of the electorate did not vote for Brexit, and the pro-Brexit Daily Mail, which is still spouting its lies about bent bananas and cucumbers says that 1.1 million people regret their vote to leave. The majority of those who bothered to vote, voted to leave. Whether a comparatively small number of them now regret it or not is irrelevant. As far as those who did not bother to vote go, nobody has any way of proving one way or another what they would have gone for, and the fact that they did not bother means they have forfeited their right to complain about the result, as far as I'm concerned.
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