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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 8:15:34 GMT
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Post by aubrey on Oct 9, 2017 8:26:15 GMT
Restarting: he was alive when they started.
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Post by aubrey on Oct 9, 2017 8:32:51 GMT
No proof, but there was talk, even if there was no real evidence in the end. Just like Jimmy Savile: Why did no one say anything? Well they did, and he was investigated: but there was not enough there to begin proceedings. Whatever happens in this type of case the Police will never get it right: either they investigate someone who is entirely blameless, or they investigate and don't find the evidence that turned up later, or the don't investigate - because Him? You're not serious! and it turns out that he's been doing it for years: hundreds of victims who all thought they were the only one until the police asked for victims to come forward.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 10:01:36 GMT
No proof, but there was talk, even if there was no real evidence in the end. Just like Jimmy Savile: Why did no one say anything? Well they did, and he was investigated: but there was not enough there to begin proceedings. Whatever happens in this type of case the Police will never get it right: either they investigate someone who is entirely blameless, or they investigate and don't find the evidence that turned up later, or the don't investigate - because Him? You're not serious! and it turns out that he's been doing it for years: hundreds of victims who all thought they were the only one until the police asked for victims to come forward. The problem with the police fishing expeditions is than any group looking for a quick buck can get together and invent stories. I know of a local case where this happened, and the so called "victims" openly boasted about it. Efforts to expose them fell down because the shock of it all resulted in the death of the accused BTW Do we really believe that Rolf Harris was guilty?
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Post by aubrey on Oct 9, 2017 10:40:07 GMT
Do you think Harris's victims got anything out of it? Savile's?
There are ways of finding out whether someone is lying: place, time, etc: with someone like Heath, whose diary (not personal diary) can be checked, it would be very hard to claim that he was definietly at a certain place at a certain time if he was known to be somewhere else; at the very least it would involve a hell of a lot of research before you even begin.
Rolf Harris cheered me up: I thought the world was better for him being in it. I really want him not to have done that stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 11:01:45 GMT
Do you think Harris's victims got anything out of it? Savile's? There are ways of finding out whether someone is lying: place, time, etc: with someone like Heath, whose diary (not personal diary) can be checked, it would be very hard to claim that he was definietly at a certain place at a certain time if he was known to be somewhere else; at the very least it would involve a hell of a lot of research before you even begin. Rolf Harris cheered me up: I thought the world was better for him being in it. I really want him not to have done that stuff. I read somewhere that there is a Saville pot of gold, and a foundation which is quite rich. Claims have been submitted. As to Rolf Harris I don't know how well off he is/was but there are clear issues between him and his daughter With regard to Heath, he must have been surrounded by security and personal assistants. He would have to have been very clever to get up to anything without being observed Having said that, there was a BBC drama about a Home Sec who used to arrive in full publicity at the front door, and then be secreted out of the back/kitchen door for assignations with under age girls. Mrs Thatcher slapped a "D" notice on the BBC to ban them from showing it until her Home Sec moved on and it was shown. The Home Sec at the time was Leon Brittain
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Post by rondetto on Oct 9, 2017 11:02:27 GMT
Another inquiry starts today involving Cyril Smith in Rochdale. I really do think they should not name people unless they actually charge them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 11:06:21 GMT
I see that Harvey Weinstein has been sacked (How can you be sacked from your own company) following allegations and rumours about his sexual activities with wannabe actresses. Nothing has been proved but his reputation has been destroyed This seems odd given that it is general knowledge about the "casting couch", and several very big stars would not be where they were had they not succumbed www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41546694
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Post by hild1066 on Oct 9, 2017 11:22:23 GMT
Having worked with men and women, young and old that have been raped I know that the vast majority even in violent cases do not want to report to the police. This is mainly because they do not want people to find out which includes family, work colleagues, previous work colleagues and even friends. They do not want to be interrogated, they do not want to wait up to 18 months for a court case even if the CPS decides to prosecute which it does not do in most cases. This is how people get off, they get off all the time and they continue with their behaviour. If you then factor in a system that supports their behaviour (in the case of celebrities) and dismisses the young people making the complaint as trouble makers, liars and sex workers and employers and 'buddies in high places' that can make it go away then someone reporting a rape has to be fully aware of the mountain they are climbing. It is exactly the attitude that so and so couldn't do this, I mean he was a decent guy, a bit dull but a decent guy in relation to the likes of Heath that hamper enquiries. I believe the police felt there were 7 incidents they would like to have questioned him about. 7 cases where dates and times potentially stacked up. That is all they are saying, they are not saying they would have prosecuted him, not when it takes all of the above to circumnavigate, they are just saying they would have questioned him. Do I believe that the hierarchy slowed down the investigation, probably, do I believe that others would have been dragged into the net, probably, do we think that those in power in this country could stop this investigation from proceeding, definitely.
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Post by aubrey on Oct 9, 2017 11:31:26 GMT
Do you think Harris's victims got anything out of it? Savile's? There are ways of finding out whether someone is lying: place, time, etc: with someone like Heath, whose diary (not personal diary) can be checked, it would be very hard to claim that he was definietly at a certain place at a certain time if he was known to be somewhere else; at the very least it would involve a hell of a lot of research before you even begin. Rolf Harris cheered me up: I thought the world was better for him being in it. I really want him not to have done that stuff. I read somewhere that there is a Saville pot of gold, and a foundation which is quite rich. Claims have been submitted. As to Rolf Harris I don't know how well off he is/was but there are clear issues between him and his daughter With regard to Heath, he must have been surrounded by security and personal assistants. He would have to have been very clever to get up to anything without being observed Having said that, there was a BBC drama about a Home Sec who used to arrive in full publicity at the front door, and then be secreted out of the back/kitchen door for assignations with under age girls. Mrs Thatcher slapped a "D" notice on the BBC to ban them from showing it until her Home Sec moved on and it was shown. The Home Sec at the time was Leon Brittain Ok, Savile was ok. All those things everyone says about him are a big lie.
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Post by aubrey on Oct 9, 2017 11:35:32 GMT
I see that Harvey Weinstein has been sacked (How can you be sacked from your own company) following allegations and rumours about his sexual activities with wannabe actresses. Nothing has been proved but his reputation has been destroyed This seems odd given that it is general knowledge about the "casting couch", and several very big stars would not be where they were had they not succumbed www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41546694That's just powerful men using their power. The fact that it's always gone on doesn't make it right. (And if there are several big stars that wouldn't be there had they not succumbed there will be several hundred thousand that did succumb and still didn't get anywhere. Succumb is an odd word though.
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Post by rondetto on Oct 9, 2017 12:02:32 GMT
I bet the casting couch is still in use these days anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 12:57:40 GMT
I bet the casting couch is still in use these days anyway. Probably, especially seeing some of the so called talent that is thrust upon us. I bet that extends to the music industry as well
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 13:00:32 GMT
In these cases the accused gets named but the accuser remains anonymous. Look at the cases that Arena illustrated in his link up thread, all those accused men would have had their name and reputation ruined in the court of public opinion, the women who made the complaint remain anonymos
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Post by aubrey on Oct 9, 2017 13:11:19 GMT
I bet the casting couch is still in use these days anyway. Probably, especially seeing some of the so called talent that is thrust upon us. I bet that extends to the music industry as well No one spends thousands on some unknown person because they want a shag.
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