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Post by ARENA on Oct 5, 2016 8:54:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 9:00:46 GMT
"They shall not ass", isn't that a Gandolfism?
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Post by anybody on Oct 5, 2016 9:16:36 GMT
The drift back to Nationalism of the worst king is there for all to see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 11:07:53 GMT
The drift back to Nationalism of the worst king is there for all to see. It's a natural kick back against the non stop PC idealism
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 15:13:33 GMT
I don't think they ever got as far as Cable street, but that is a very minor detail. My dad was the other side of the barricades. He told me that the preparations included potatoes to throw, the added ingredient being razor blades imbedded in said spuds.
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Post by marispiper on Oct 5, 2016 16:48:28 GMT
My mother was also recalling memories of that day...she lived in Hoxton and said how in those communities in the East End there were so many different races, they just all rubbed along "we never had a problem with each other". There was no way they were going to tolerate Mosley and the divisions he was creating.
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Post by aubrey on Oct 5, 2016 16:51:04 GMT
You think it's wrong that people should be idealistic, Gus?
It's great how everyone pretty much accepts this as having been a good thing, a great thing, something to be proud of (which, by the way, it was; I used to know a woman whose family - Thames Lightermen - were also involved); if something similar happened today wouldn't the general comment be be that both sides are as bad as each other?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 17:18:54 GMT
You think it's wrong that people should be idealistic, Gus? It's great how everyone pretty much accepts this as having been a good thing, a great thing, something to be proud of (which, by the way, it was; I used to know a woman whose family - Thames Lightermen - were also involved); if something similar happened today wouldn't the general comment be be that both sides are as bad as each other? I object to people trying to force their idealism, ie PC fanatics, who try and force their ideals on the rest of us
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Post by aubrey on Oct 5, 2016 18:00:25 GMT
It's terrible these days, not being allowed to refuse a job or a flat to someone because they're of the wrong race. Political Correctness gone mad, I calls it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 19:49:47 GMT
It's terrible these days, not being allowed to refuse a job or a flat to someone because they're of the wrong race. Political Correctness gone mad, I calls it. If you own a flat/house you should be allowed to rent it to whoever you like. Similarly if you are an employer you should be allowed to offer a job to the best candidate, not someone who is a particular gender or nationality because of "diversity"
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Post by aubrey on Oct 6, 2016 5:36:18 GMT
It's terrible these days, not being allowed to refuse a job or a flat to someone because they're of the wrong race. Political Correctness gone mad, I calls it. If you own a flat/house you should be allowed to rent it to whoever you like. Similarly if you are an employer you should be allowed to offer a job to the best candidate, not someone who is a particular gender or nationality because of "diversity" No blacks, no dogs, no Irish. The best candidate is never going to be anything other than white?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 8:51:07 GMT
If you own a flat/house you should be allowed to rent it to whoever you like. Similarly if you are an employer you should be allowed to offer a job to the best candidate, not someone who is a particular gender or nationality because of "diversity" No blacks, no dogs, no Irish. The best candidate is never going to be anything other than white? That is your opinion, not mine
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Post by HILD on Oct 6, 2016 11:38:31 GMT
It's terrible these days, not being allowed to refuse a job or a flat to someone because they're of the wrong race. Political Correctness gone mad, I calls it. If you own a flat/house you should be allowed to rent it to whoever you like. Similarly if you are an employer you should be allowed to offer a job to the best candidate, not someone who is a particular gender or nationality because of "diversity" If you own a flat/house and you rent it, your flat/house generates and income and renting becomes a business and as such it has to comply with the law. If you want to let people live in it rent free then you can choose who you want to live in it.
There are some jobs that are allowed gender specificity, jobs in care for instance where a person may prefer to be put in the bath or have their bottom wiped by someone of the same or opposite gender. People being bathed do have the right to choose how they are washed and by whom which seems totally fair enough to me. There are very few jobs that fall into this category. A fork lift driver is a fork lift driver whatever gender they have assigned themselves. I cannot see how their nationality has any bearing at all on their ability to perform in a job. The criteria should be 'Do they have permission to work in this country' and that is not the same as the argument you put forward.
As to whether an employer should only be able to offer the job to the best candidate -well that is another can of worms entirely and potentially half the relatives of businesspeople would be unemployed quite smartly if this were the case. Employers still get to select a person from those presenting for interview, their criteria can range from 'has all the qualifications and the experience' to 'he's a friend of my mum'....can of worms as I said.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 14:05:53 GMT
If you own a flat/house you should be allowed to rent it to whoever you like. Similarly if you are an employer you should be allowed to offer a job to the best candidate, not someone who is a particular gender or nationality because of "diversity" If you own a flat/house and you rent it, your flat/house generates and income and renting becomes a business and as such it has to comply with the law. If you want to let people live in it rent free then you can choose who you want to live in it.
There are some jobs that are allowed gender specificity, jobs in care for instance where a person may prefer to be put in the bath or have their bottom wiped by someone of the same or opposite gender. People being bathed do have the right to choose how they are washed and by whom which seems totally fair enough to me. There are very few jobs that fall into this category. A fork lift driver is a fork lift driver whatever gender they have assigned themselves. I cannot see how their nationality has any bearing at all on their ability to perform in a job. The criteria should be 'Do they have permission to work in this country' and that is not the same as the argument you put forward.
As to whether an employer should only be able to offer the job to the best candidate -well that is another can of worms entirely and potentially half the relatives of businesspeople would be unemployed quite smartly if this were the case. Employers still get to select a person from those presenting for interview, their criteria can range from 'has all the qualifications and the experience' to 'he's a friend of my mum'....can of worms as I said.
Think you will find that people who receive social care have little if any choice as to who will visit and bathe them or wipe their bottoms. As it is mainly a female job there is no problem with female patients but many old men have never been seen naked by their wives/partners, let alone a care worker. In hospital of course patients are usually too ill to care
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 14:12:04 GMT
I think it is time that the UK recognised an indigenous racism amongst the population. It appears to have been prevalent since the OP, I can remember in my life how the population does not like foreigners entering our world - viz the notices that appeared in the 50s when the government invited Jamaicans to come here to take the jobs us Brits would not do. It seems to have continued ever since culminating in the recent EU referendum result Instead of pussyfooting around this, and kowtowing to the idealism of the PC devotees maybe it is time to wake up and smell the coffee, and live with it
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