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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 16:36:19 GMT
I think it is time that the UK recognised an indigenous racism amongst the population. It appears to have been prevalent since the OP, I can remember in my life how the population does not like foreigners entering our world - viz the notices that appeared in the 50s when the government invited Jamaicans to come here to take the jobs us Brits would not do. It seems to have continued ever since culminating in the recent EU referendum result Instead of pussyfooting around this, and kowtowing to the idealism of the PC devotees maybe it is time to wake up and smell the coffee, and live with it Just how far back do you need to go to prove a point? Excluding people because of their ethnicity or gender is wrong. And in the vast majority of cases it is illegal. What happened in the 50's is meaningless. You might as well include the banning of Jews from any profession except usury in the dim and distant past. |
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Post by hild1066 on Oct 7, 2016 11:46:55 GMT
If you own a flat/house and you rent it, your flat/house generates and income and renting becomes a business and as such it has to comply with the law. If you want to let people live in it rent free then you can choose who you want to live in it.
There are some jobs that are allowed gender specificity, jobs in care for instance where a person may prefer to be put in the bath or have their bottom wiped by someone of the same or opposite gender. People being bathed do have the right to choose how they are washed and by whom which seems totally fair enough to me. There are very few jobs that fall into this category. A fork lift driver is a fork lift driver whatever gender they have assigned themselves. I cannot see how their nationality has any bearing at all on their ability to perform in a job. The criteria should be 'Do they have permission to work in this country' and that is not the same as the argument you put forward.
As to whether an employer should only be able to offer the job to the best candidate -well that is another can of worms entirely and potentially half the relatives of businesspeople would be unemployed quite smartly if this were the case. Employers still get to select a person from those presenting for interview, their criteria can range from 'has all the qualifications and the experience' to 'he's a friend of my mum'....can of worms as I said.
Think you will find that people who receive social care have little if any choice as to who will visit and bathe them or wipe their bottoms. As it is mainly a female job there is no problem with female patients but many old men have never been seen naked by their wives/partners, let alone a care worker. In hospital of course patients are usually too ill to care I think you will find I am right. People who receive social care, people in hospital and outpatient departments for appointments or treatment have the right to have their care provided by someone of their preferred gender. It is quite an important fact that people should take note of. There are many caring men and women who carry out these tasks on a daily basis. Many thousands of men work in the social care sector. My son is supported by an ex-Para Iraq/Afghanistan Veteran (brilliant caring guy), an ex-gunner (Iraq veteran) and semi-professional boxer (superb bloke, couldn't praise him enough) an ex-bricklayer (work injury meant change of career, he is another superb man), their manager is an ex coal miner, who now has a degree in Social Care and Health after studying a night. Not only do people have the right to be bathed, fed and dressed by someone of their preferred sex they also have the right to go out into the community with people of their preferred sex and to expect the social care provider to find people to support them who have similar interests e.g. my son likes sport, and of a similar age if that is requested (especially applies to younger people with disabilities - why would you want to go the swimming pool with someone old enough to be your nan). Most social care providers work very hard to meet these standards and the Care Quality Commission checks that they do.
I used to work in the NHS and those patients who expressed an preference of gender were always accommodated except in the direst emergencies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 18:49:13 GMT
Think you will find that people who receive social care have little if any choice as to who will visit and bathe them or wipe their bottoms. As it is mainly a female job there is no problem with female patients but many old men have never been seen naked by their wives/partners, let alone a care worker. In hospital of course patients are usually too ill to care I think you will find I am right. People who receive social care, people in hospital and outpatient departments for appointments or treatment have the right to have their care provided by someone of their preferred gender. It is quite an important fact that people should take note of. There are many caring men and women who carry out these tasks on a daily basis. Many thousands of men work in the social care sector. My son is supported by an ex-Para Iraq/Afghanistan Veteran (brilliant caring guy), an ex-gunner (Iraq veteran) and semi-professional boxer (superb bloke, couldn't praise him enough) an ex-bricklayer (work injury meant change of career, he is another superb man), their manager is an ex coal miner, who now has a degree in Social Care and Health after studying a night. Not only do people have the right to be bathed, fed and dressed by someone of their preferred sex they also have the right to go out into the community with people of their preferred sex and to expect the social care provider to find people to support them who have similar interests e.g. my son likes sport, and of a similar age if that is requested (especially applies to younger people with disabilities - why would you want to go the swimming pool with someone old enough to be your nan). Most social care providers work very hard to meet these standards and the Care Quality Commission checks that they do.
I used to work in the NHS and those patients who expressed an preference of gender were always accommodated except in the direst emergencies.
I too used to work in social care and still have contact with the agency I worked for. In theory you are correct about clients supposedly receiving care from a worker of the gender they prefer. In practice however it often comes down to who is available in an overstretched service Funnily enough I have spent today being prepared for and receiving a scan. I observed the overstretched staff struggling to cope with patients of both sexes. Again there was no choice, it was all down to who was available. Only after lunch during a brief respite were they able to shuffle us around so that women were in bays on their own - same with men
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Post by aubrey on Oct 8, 2016 9:43:49 GMT
I can't imagine expressing a preference, or wanting a chaperone - I was shocked to be offered one once; I said, The fewer the better.
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Post by ARENA on Oct 20, 2016 9:55:39 GMT
Britain Against Britain First See Facebook.
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Post by hild1066 on Oct 20, 2016 12:15:48 GMT
I think you will find I am right. People who receive social care, people in hospital and outpatient departments for appointments or treatment have the right to have their care provided by someone of their preferred gender. It is quite an important fact that people should take note of. There are many caring men and women who carry out these tasks on a daily basis. Many thousands of men work in the social care sector. My son is supported by an ex-Para Iraq/Afghanistan Veteran (brilliant caring guy), an ex-gunner (Iraq veteran) and semi-professional boxer (superb bloke, couldn't praise him enough) an ex-bricklayer (work injury meant change of career, he is another superb man), their manager is an ex coal miner, who now has a degree in Social Care and Health after studying a night. Not only do people have the right to be bathed, fed and dressed by someone of their preferred sex they also have the right to go out into the community with people of their preferred sex and to expect the social care provider to find people to support them who have similar interests e.g. my son likes sport, and of a similar age if that is requested (especially applies to younger people with disabilities - why would you want to go the swimming pool with someone old enough to be your nan). Most social care providers work very hard to meet these standards and the Care Quality Commission checks that they do.
I used to work in the NHS and those patients who expressed an preference of gender were always accommodated except in the direst emergencies.
I too used to work in social care and still have contact with the agency I worked for. In theory you are correct about clients supposedly receiving care from a worker of the gender they prefer. In practice however it often comes down to who is available in an overstretched service Funnily enough I have spent today being prepared for and receiving a scan. I observed the overstretched staff struggling to cope with patients of both sexes. Again there was no choice, it was all down to who was available. Only after lunch during a brief respite were they able to shuffle us around so that women were in bays on their own - same with men
But had you expressed a preference your request would have to be legally met. I have worked in the NHS and Social Care. The majority of people express no preference but those that do are entitled to it. If you scan was not considered to be intimate care then you may request a gender but would potentially have to wait longer for it, we always accommodated people's choices and believe me every examination was intimate - I worked in the STI Clinic!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 14:36:50 GMT
I too used to work in social care and still have contact with the agency I worked for. In theory you are correct about clients supposedly receiving care from a worker of the gender they prefer. In practice however it often comes down to who is available in an overstretched service Funnily enough I have spent today being prepared for and receiving a scan. I observed the overstretched staff struggling to cope with patients of both sexes. Again there was no choice, it was all down to who was available. Only after lunch during a brief respite were they able to shuffle us around so that women were in bays on their own - same with men
But had you expressed a preference your request would have to be legally met. I have worked in the NHS and Social Care. The majority of people express no preference but those that do are entitled to it. If you scan was not considered to be intimate care then you may request a gender but would potentially have to wait longer for it, we always accommodated people's choices and believe me every examination was intimate - I worked in the STI Clinic!!! Take the ambulance service as another example. If you dial 999 the controller doesn't ask your sex or check if you want a make or female to attend He or she's only concern is what ambulance is available, gender doesn't come into it
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