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Post by marispiper on Aug 31, 2016 9:42:38 GMT
A thought has occurred to me. According to many it would seem that GB is going to go down the plug hole faster than the speed of light once we leave the EU. We will have a completely bankrupt economy, people will be queuing round the block for simple hospital visits, the people on benefits will starve, unemployment will be about 10 million, there will be riots on the streets every day, and it will rain 24/7 If that is the case then why as is reliably estimated are about 10,000 people in Calais and countless more thousands 'in the pipeline' so desperate to come here that they will try any means, including highway robbery to get here? Reading your OP Jon, you were actually saying post-referendum UK isn't that bad! I totally agree. Did you expect this can o' worms 😁 ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 11:08:21 GMT
A thought has occurred to me. According to many it would seem that GB is going to go down the plug hole faster than the speed of light once we leave the EU. We will have a completely bankrupt economy, people will be queuing round the block for simple hospital visits, the people on benefits will starve, unemployment will be about 10 million, there will be riots on the streets every day, and it will rain 24/7 If that is the case then why as is reliably estimated are about 10,000 people in Calais and countless more thousands 'in the pipeline' so desperate to come here that they will try any means, including highway robbery to get here? Reading your OP Jon, you were actually saying post-referendum UK isn't that bad! I totally agree. Did you expect this can o' worms 😁 ? You know the OP was tongue in cheek Marispiper. Did I expect this can-o-worms? Probably, but the snots fair brigade will always say that life is soooo hard. But they forget, the money might not be much, but it is pretty regular.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 31, 2016 15:09:14 GMT
Actually, I presumed you were thinking to yourself "this forum is getting so bloody boring...ah, I know..." 😁 worked!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 15:24:42 GMT
Actually, I presumed you were thinking to yourself "this forum is getting so bloody boring...ah, I know..." 😁 worked! Now would I ever do such a thing! Interesting article here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33268521
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Post by marispiper on Aug 31, 2016 15:45:11 GMT
Good article. I think the other aspect not mentioned, is that the UK is hopeless at tracking people which often means asylum seekers can easily 'disappear'.
I was listening on the radio to an Algerian man who has lived here for nine years. He said in Algeria you would be stopped and asked, on average, once every two/three weeks to show your id. Since he's been here, guess how many times he's been asked...oh you already guessed...
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Post by hild on Sept 2, 2016 11:47:32 GMT
Good article. I think the other aspect not mentioned, is that the UK is hopeless at tracking people which often means asylum seekers can easily 'disappear'. I was listening on the radio to an Algerian man who has lived here for nine years. He said in Algeria you would be stopped and asked, on average, once every two/three weeks to show your id. Since he's been here, guess how many times he's been asked...oh you already guessed... On what legal grounds would our police service be able to stop him and ask this question. Looking a bit foreign is not sufficient legal grounds neither is walking down the street, being a man doesn't cut it either, so on what legal basis would you suggest the police waste their time stopping anyone in the above category once every two/three weeks to confirm their what - we are not legally obliged to carry ID, we cannot be asked to produce it unless the police consider we were about to or were in the process of committing a crime. They would be unable to detain you whilst a friend or colleague went to try and locate this ID, this would be an illegal act on the part of the police and to what end, most of the time said person will turn out to be here completely legally. Imagine the cost of this, it could take hours and several public servants to ascertain that you had entitlement to be here and then of course you could sue for compensation because every two weeks the police are illegally stopping and detaining you, crikey!!
On top of that I don't think the police would be particularly good at the 'spotting a foreigner' game. Think of all the Eastern European, Australian, New Zealanders and Canadians that would slip through the net as all of them concentrated on people who looked a bit Algerian!!!!
We catch illegal immigrants via their applications for work, by checking on workplaces, by stopping benefits, when they start sending their children to school and other means and obviously some slip the net and live and work in the underground economy. Some people always have even citizens of this country whose families go back generations. That is because we have the legal right to disappear, to leave and never be heard of by said family ever again.
I don't want to lose these civil liberties
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 13:53:12 GMT
Good article. I think the other aspect not mentioned, is that the UK is hopeless at tracking people which often means asylum seekers can easily 'disappear'. I was listening on the radio to an Algerian man who has lived here for nine years. He said in Algeria you would be stopped and asked, on average, once every two/three weeks to show your id. Since he's been here, guess how many times he's been asked...oh you already guessed... On what legal grounds would our police service be able to stop him and ask this question. Looking a bit foreign is not sufficient legal grounds neither is walking down the street, being a man doesn't cut it either, so on what legal basis would you suggest the police waste their time stopping anyone in the above category once every two/three weeks to confirm their what - we are not legally obliged to carry ID, we cannot be asked to produce it unless the police consider we were about to or were in the process of committing a crime. They would be unable to detain you whilst a friend or colleague went to try and locate this ID, this would be an illegal act on the part of the police and to what end, most of the time said person will turn out to be here completely legally. Imagine the cost of this, it could take hours and several public servants to ascertain that you had entitlement to be here and then of course you could sue for compensation because every two weeks the police are illegally stopping and detaining you, crikey!!
On top of that I don't think the police would be particularly good at the 'spotting a foreigner' game. Think of all the Eastern European, Australian, New Zealanders and Canadians that would slip through the net as all of them concentrated on people who looked a bit Algerian!!!!
We catch illegal immigrants via their applications for work, by checking on workplaces, by stopping benefits, when they start sending their children to school and other means and obviously some slip the net and live and work in the underground economy. Some people always have even citizens of this country whose families go back generations. That is because we have the legal right to disappear, to leave and never be heard of by said family ever again.
I don't want to lose these civil liberties
Compulsory ID cards in the UK would help, pity this scheme was abandoned after cries of "unfair" from those who have something to fear and the woolly liberals
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Post by marispiper on Sept 3, 2016 8:03:41 GMT
Our tracking consists of 'report to this police station every two weeks' yeah right.... That is what makes this country so civilised, we don't check on anybody...not just 'foreigners' (whatever they look like). That's the point the chap was making.
I also understand it is now incumbent upon landlords to ensure the legal status of any tenant. I wonder how many do that ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 9:05:34 GMT
Our tracking consists of 'report to this police station every two weeks' yeah right.... That is what makes this country so civilised, we don't check on anybody...not just 'foreigners' (whatever they look like). That's the point the chap was making. I also understand it is now incumbent upon landlords to ensure the legal status of any tenant. I wonder how many do that ? I doubt if those landlords who pack tenants into slum rooms bother about the legal status of their tenants
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Post by aubrey on Sept 3, 2016 9:28:39 GMT
Everyone has something to hide.
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