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Post by ARENA on Sept 11, 2015 7:50:49 GMT
This message was posted on another board,this morning. The author is a British woman.....
I have just got home and need to tell someone about this evening.
I work for the local authority here in northern Germany in adult education and every year we have a Function to start the term. Before all this became so acute with refugees, we decided the theme this term would be celebrating 10 years of Integration Courses: Migrants to Germany can attend 600-900 hours of courses to learn German, followed by a 60 hours orientation course - politics, history, law.
Usually our functions include some sort of Cabaret, or theatre, or Music. This evening was organized by the particants in the Integration courses.
I am trying to think how to tell you how wonderful it was. These courses have students from Syria, Poland, Australia, the Ukraine, Afghanistan, the Phillippines, Iraq...and they had all practised songs, sketches, poems, all in German. They played the violin, the piano, the guitar - beautifully.
At the end of the evening many of them received certificates that they have achieved Level B1 in German. I wish you could have seen their pride, and joy and how they hugged their teachers.
I sat there, a migrant myself, unintentionally really and many years ago, and got goosebumps - thinking if Germany really manages this, to get all these people, so proud of their roots but wanting to start anew here - well, how magnificent that is going to be.
We're not going to be blonde and blue-eyed and called Edelgard anymore, and maybe parts of German culture are going to get diluted and lost. But in its place there will be something new, and not necessarily worse.
I wish you all could have been there.
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Post by Arfurmo on Sept 11, 2015 16:36:44 GMT
Wishful thinking - and how insulting to the German culture that it will be replaced 'by something that is not necessarily worse'
How I hate these heart-on-sleeve holier-than-thou types!
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Post by scorp on Sept 12, 2015 7:07:30 GMT
Makes the attitude here look a tad shabby...
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Post by Arfurmo on Sept 12, 2015 7:40:49 GMT
Makes the attitude here look a tad shabby... Merkel's massive error will eventually manifest itself - it is madness to accept people that are manifestly NOT in any danger |
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Post by starlilolill on Sept 12, 2015 12:24:22 GMT
Makes the attitude here look a tad shabby... Merkel's massive error will eventually manifest itself - it is madness to accept people that are manifestly NOT in any danger Tell that to the refugees. If I lived in Syria I would want to escape double quick. The refugees that have made it to Germany are the ones who could afford to by reason of their qualifications - she has managed to get doctors, dentists, engineers etc. The UK will get the poorest who need urgent medical help, orphans who will need homes etc. I have every sympathy with the poor and the children who have been left without family - what Merkel has done isn't stupid in the economic sense - it is just a tad cynical! |
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Post by Arfurmo on Sept 12, 2015 13:33:45 GMT
Merkel's massive error will eventually manifest itself - it is madness to accept people that are manifestly NOT in any danger Tell that to the refugees. If I lived in Syria I would want to escape double quick. The refugees that have made it to Germany are the ones who could afford to by reason of their qualifications - she has managed to get doctors, dentists, engineers etc. The UK will get the poorest who need urgent medical help, orphans who will need homes etc. I have every sympathy with the poor and the children who have been left without family - what Merkel has done isn't stupid in the economic sense - it is just a tad cynical! It is quite stupid for a number of reasons: 1. The majority are young Moslems who will undoubtedly add to the problems of Moslems living in a liberal society that ll western societies face 2. Most are economic migrants that have transited a number of safe countries before they reach their 'haven of choice' 3. As poor people in poor countries realise that they can accepted as refugees by some western countries, so the current flood will grow to an unmanageable deluge 5. The deluge will lead to social unrest in those western countries, where, once again, the indigenous population has had no say in the transformation of their society 6. The current pattern of the growth of popularity extremist right parties will be magnified and they will gain some power in those countries that have PR 7. Liberal parties such as Merkel's that show contempt for the 'populous' will be kicked out of power 8. The change in those societies that accept hundreds of thousands of economic 'refugees' will be for the worse and irreversible |
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Post by norty on Sept 14, 2015 9:25:57 GMT
The unmanageable deluge has happened.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 10:27:32 GMT
To a limited extent I agree with our guest Arfrumo. (Sign up and be counted please)
The ones that have travelled across Europe had the means to do so. The poor, the real poor as in all similar situations are left behind. The lucky ones make it as far as a refugee camp. We have all seen film of the people going across Europe. What is significant is they are mainly young, and as far as I can see, mainly men. If you see footage of other people fleeing war or persecution it is not like that. You have granny in a wheelbarrow or a handcart, and family groups, walking. In the main those people travelled just as far as they needed to for safety. The reason is, when it is safe to do so they want to go home.
I don't know at what point a refugee becomes an economic migrant. But if people have travelled through many countries where they are not being bombed or shot at then in my view they are migrants. Those countries might not have 'welcomed' them, but it would not have murdered them.
We have had demonstrations on the streets demanding among other things that we let the several thousand people in Calais come here. Why? Are they not safe and free from persecution in France? France has a good record of allowing people in. In my view the people in Calais want to come here because they will be economically better off, and that is not a valid reason for them coming.
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