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Post by skylark on May 26, 2024 9:09:02 GMT
Any views?
I suppose they have asked the armed services, and it has long been known that the last thing the army wants is a bunch of unfit, half-educated and probably mutinous conscripts turning up at the barracks door. It seems places for national service will be limited; everyone else will have to give up their weekends, and that doesn't seem a great idea either!
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Post by rikiiboy on May 26, 2024 10:02:45 GMT
[The basic training at the British Army, can be extremely hard at times but is designed to build character and bring out qualities in each recruit. I joined as a junior leader and was known as a baby bird when posted to my regt. It is an experience filled with different emotions thoughts and feelings.]
The poor little darlings won't know what's hit them.
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Post by skylark on May 26, 2024 20:08:43 GMT
There will only be a limited number of places for military service, and my bet is that only the best will be taken. Modern warfare means that brains are needed as much if not more than brawn, and highly specific skills will be taught.
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Post by hild1066 on May 27, 2024 14:22:32 GMT
There are only 30,000 places available in the forces. 10,000 in each service. These will probably go to cadets and those with tech backgrounds. That's almost a years free recruits. Which saves the govt money.
Care Homes have said they are unlikely to participate other than things like people visiting. People in care homes have commented that they don't want a constantly changing stream of teenagers who a being forced to be there anywhere near them.
The NHS doesn't have many roles for volunteers and in both sectors people would need DBS clearance.
I have no idea what 10,000 teenagers would be doing in the fire service, ambulance, police or paramedic services. Washing cars?
Anyway this is not volunteering it's going to be mandatory.
If it is mandatory what is the sanction for refusing, what are the exemptions. Many 18 year olds are already working, often on shifts, some are parents.
What's the incentive. In most EU Countries volunteering on national schemes gets you free or cheaper university, or college courses. It gets you free public transport, it gets you automatic interviews for jobs. In some volunteering is applicable to all ages and I think in Germany 12 hours a month can go towards pension credits that lets you retire early, as you build up the credits. You can also earn a tax free payment for some work, up to £460 per month, depending on how many hours you do.
One Tory MP has said they could pick fruit or vegetables. That smacks of slavery and I bet some millionaire farmer in Norfolk is rubbing his hands thinking of free labour.
It can be done, should be open to all ages and should have tangible rewards but this scheme is just a gimmick for the election.
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Post by skylark on May 29, 2024 18:00:56 GMT
I think, though am not sure, that the conscripts will be paid, but I’m not sure where the money will come. Many students or employed youngsters rely on an income from weekend work. You are probably right that the military will favour cadets, but it will give those accepted a chance to see if the life is for them before signing up as permanent members.
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Post by hild1066 on May 29, 2024 18:43:56 GMT
I don't essentially mind the idea that the forces would have trainees from age 17/18. As long as it is understood that these conscripted trainees don't end up in action somewhere.
Of course the forces already operate a similar system where students doing certain degrees can join and be sponsored by the military and effectively get their degrees paid for. I used to see a number of medical students coming through every year who were being sponsored through their courses. They often went off for 6 weeks twice a year on military training.
I think they advertise which degrees are applicable.
Of course there is nothing mandatory about this, they have chosen to sign up for three or five years. Doctors I think were seven years.
But ordinary 18 year olds are going to be doing what, cleaning tanks, painting fences. It would have to be properly worked out. They're only going to be there 12 months so they wouldn't want to throw too many resources into training. It wouldn't be worthwhile. Catering perhaps?
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Post by skylark on May 31, 2024 7:40:43 GMT
Did anyone watch the series ‘Warship’ with a BBC journalist embedded in a variety of naval vessels. He followed the daily lives of selected induviduals from the captain down. One that stuck in my mind was the young man (on sn aircraft carrier I think) who spend 12 hours preparing vegetables. He cheerfully said he stuck it out knowing it would lead to better things. This incentive will be lost if the youngsters have no guarantee of a job at the end. On the other hand If they are given more interesting work, the vegetable peeler might well feel a bit aggrieved! Though the navy presumably won’t send youngsters on their national service to sea. As an aside, I also remember that on this ship the kitchen staff worked longer hours than anyone!
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Post by marispiper on May 31, 2024 8:41:16 GMT
I think this is the daftest thing they've come up with, though I daresay it'll appeal to a certain generation (ours 😂) With the focus away from university as the sole route for young people, aside from apprenticeships, there should be a push to make joining the armed forces a credible option for their consideration. Heaven knows we need em.
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Post by ARENA on May 31, 2024 9:43:58 GMT
I think this is the daftest thing they've come up with, though I daresay it'll appeal to a certain generation (ours 😂) With the focus away from university as the sole route for young people, aside from apprenticeships, there should be a push to make joining the armed forces a credible option for their consideration. Heaven knows we need em. It has become 'fashionable' to go to university even if only to study David Bowie's greatest hits . It's not a question of career. Re-instate apprenticeships , they wont cost mum and dad a fortune and will lead to a lucrative job.
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Post by hild1066 on May 31, 2024 15:27:31 GMT
The current apprenticeships as set up by the govt are unpopular with business. Many large businesses run their own schemes anyway e.g. Nissan, Rolls Royce.
The govt ones are unpopular because £6.40ph is now almost half the NLW. There is also about a 50% drop out. There is no scheme to replace or find another apprenticeship. That means if the company goes bust or decides to lay you off, there's nowhere to go. You're up the creek with a half finished apprenticeship.
In regard to degrees. If there is a degree relating to David Bowie it is likely to concentrate on his business acumen in the music industry, his innovative artistry in costume and set design, his fashion and how he kept himself relevant. I can see nany business type modules created around this and the degree would have many applications in marketing, business management, production and creative arts. Not really any different to studying Aristotle, just more relevant to today.
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Post by skylark on Jun 1, 2024 11:39:53 GMT
That may be true, but too many graduates end up taking unpaid internships to give them the practical work experiece employers want. Those who can’t afford that often end up getting work which doesn’t need a degree. OH’s youngest niece has just ended her internship. The only post they could offer her at the end was in South Africa, which she didn’t want.
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Post by hild1066 on Jun 1, 2024 12:59:30 GMT
Unpaid internships are a con to save companies on having to offer a paid graduate scheme. I know young people who've done several and got nowhere.
Labour say that unpaid internships should be phased out, they are not allowed in the Party.
No degree is worthless, every subject offers the opportunity to learn to study, research, order, time manage, meet deadlines, find new friendships, grow up away from parents, write up a topic and present arguments. None of that is a waste of time.
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