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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 14:02:09 GMT
This is exactly why these unscrupulous landlords can get away with it... desperate people. It's immoral! It should be quite simple, do not allow Private Landlords to charge say 10% more than the equivalent social housing rent per council region e.g. two bed council house in Sometown £300 per month, Private Landlord £330 per month or even 10% less if they are renting to people on benefits (the taxation system should not support private individuals to become rich). Pass legislation so that all Private Landlord Properties must be maintained to the standard of social housing and an anonymous complaints reporting system checked by an Inspection System with proper enforcement regulations. Allow tenancies to pass down through families, provide secure tenancies etc. It all happens in Germany and other places and I know that the corrupt can always get around it but not as often as they do now if a proper inspection system was in place. Build decent hostels with a variety of room sizes for those people evicted from either form of housing, the homeless, the unemployed etc. to either help them get back on their feet or in cases where they won't (and we have to be honest here some people will not), places where they can permanently stay and claim minimum housing benefit for such. It used to be the case that a private landlord wouldn't touch you unless you were working and had a reference from work but now so many cash in on the Housing Benefit they receive and councils have been forced to accept the rents they charge as there is nowhere else for these people to live because nobody built any social housing. Bedsits when properly designed have a place for low waged single people but to be registered all should have private en suite toilets and showers, make it the case and pass a law. Make being a Private Landlord a long term investment rather than a fast buck, a role where modest regular profit from rentals providers an income but do not allow a modest sized house to become an 8 person dwelling. I saw one recently where the landlord had put sheds in the garden and was renting these as two person accommodation - no facilities other than those in the house where 10 people were already sharing one toilet and one sink. Appalling and the council knew about it and said it "was working with the landlord to improve things", they should have been "working with the police to ensure a conviction"!!! A problem with housing benefit seems to happen when the benefit is paid direct to the tenant, I think changed under some human rights nonsense.. The effect is that a financially strapped tenant can then use that benefit themselves and not pay it to the landlord, hence building up rent arrears.. I think it would help if we returned to paying the benefit direct to the landlord, they would be less reluctant to take HB tenants In my area I know that the LAs are very strict and tough in enforcing the legislation over multiple occupation properties. An acquaintance converted a substantial property into eight self contained studio appartments/bedsits, very well done and equipped. The LA threatened to close it until proper fire doors were fitted.. No tenants in garden sheds here
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Post by marispiper on Aug 22, 2016 14:20:50 GMT
This is exactly why these unscrupulous landlords can get away with it... desperate people. It's immoral! It should be quite simple, do not allow Private Landlords to charge say 10% more than the equivalent social housing rent per council region e.g. two bed council house in Sometown £300 per month, Private Landlord £330 per month or even 10% less if they are renting to people on benefits (the taxation system should not support private individuals to become rich). Pass legislation so that all Private Landlord Properties must be maintained to the standard of social housing and an anonymous complaints reporting system checked by an Inspection System with proper enforcement regulations. Allow tenancies to pass down through families, provide secure tenancies etc. It all happens in Germany and other places and I know that the corrupt can always get around it but not as often as they do now if a proper inspection system was in place. Build decent hostels with a variety of room sizes for those people evicted from either form of housing, the homeless, the unemployed etc. to either help them get back on their feet or in cases where they won't (and we have to be honest here some people will not), places where they can permanently stay and claim minimum housing benefit for such. It used to be the case that a private landlord wouldn't touch you unless you were working and had a reference from work but now so many cash in on the Housing Benefit they receive and councils have been forced to accept the rents they charge as there is nowhere else for these people to live because nobody built any social housing. Bedsits when properly designed have a place for low waged single people but to be registered all should have private en suite toilets and showers, make it the case and pass a law. Make being a Private Landlord a long term investment rather than a fast buck, a role where modest regular profit from rentals providers an income but do not allow a modest sized house to become an 8 person dwelling. I saw one recently where the landlord had put sheds in the garden and was renting these as two person accommodation - no facilities other than those in the house where 10 people were already sharing one toilet and one sink. Appalling and the council knew about it and said it "was working with the landlord to improve things", they should have been "working with the police to ensure a conviction"!!! Hild, you talk nothing but sense. I fear the only reason such ideas are never implemented is because the DON'T make a fast buck. Morally and practically, they are absolutely essential today. This whole housing business is all about money now with those simply seeking a roof over their heads, the victims.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 22, 2016 18:55:50 GMT
I am half watching Panorama about council cuts in Selby. Dreadful. Cuts, cuts, cuts and its those at the bottom suffering most. The selling off of council houses deprived councils of a big chunk of the one thing they need -INCOME! Short sighted...
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Post by hild on Aug 23, 2016 12:11:16 GMT
It should be quite simple, do not allow Private Landlords to charge say 10% more than the equivalent social housing rent per council region e.g. two bed council house in Sometown £300 per month, Private Landlord £330 per month or even 10% less if they are renting to people on benefits (the taxation system should not support private individuals to become rich). Pass legislation so that all Private Landlord Properties must be maintained to the standard of social housing and an anonymous complaints reporting system checked by an Inspection System with proper enforcement regulations. Allow tenancies to pass down through families, provide secure tenancies etc. It all happens in Germany and other places and I know that the corrupt can always get around it but not as often as they do now if a proper inspection system was in place. Build decent hostels with a variety of room sizes for those people evicted from either form of housing, the homeless, the unemployed etc. to either help them get back on their feet or in cases where they won't (and we have to be honest here some people will not), places where they can permanently stay and claim minimum housing benefit for such. It used to be the case that a private landlord wouldn't touch you unless you were working and had a reference from work but now so many cash in on the Housing Benefit they receive and councils have been forced to accept the rents they charge as there is nowhere else for these people to live because nobody built any social housing. Bedsits when properly designed have a place for low waged single people but to be registered all should have private en suite toilets and showers, make it the case and pass a law. Make being a Private Landlord a long term investment rather than a fast buck, a role where modest regular profit from rentals providers an income but do not allow a modest sized house to become an 8 person dwelling. I saw one recently where the landlord had put sheds in the garden and was renting these as two person accommodation - no facilities other than those in the house where 10 people were already sharing one toilet and one sink. Appalling and the council knew about it and said it "was working with the landlord to improve things", they should have been "working with the police to ensure a conviction"!!! A problem with housing benefit seems to happen when the benefit is paid direct to the tenant, I think changed under some human rights nonsense.. The effect is that a financially strapped tenant can then use that benefit themselves and not pay it to the landlord, hence building up rent arrears.. I think it would help if we returned to paying the benefit direct to the landlord, they would be less reluctant to take HB tenants In my area I know that the LAs are very strict and tough in enforcing the legislation over multiple occupation properties. An acquaintance converted a substantial property into eight self contained studio appartments/bedsits, very well done and equipped. The LA threatened to close it until proper fire doors were fitted.. No tenants in garden sheds here
But they should have proper fire doors and they should have known that a house split into studio e.g. legally a house of multiple accommodation must conform with all building regulations. I don't understand why their architect or building inspector did not point this out to them at the beginning. I built a room in my attic and I had to put in a fire door and I knew that from the start, I also had to build in steps below dormer windows so that people could reach them to climb out in an emergency, these things are standard now.
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Post by aubrey on Aug 23, 2016 13:09:11 GMT
No, it's not - ours is paid straight to the Concil.
Universal Credit will have it paid straight to the tenant though (not for any human rights reasons), and every four weeks rather than every two weeks, and I'd say that being done deliberately to cause the kind of trouble you mention - people getting into arrears etc, due to their own fecklessness (this being the kind of reasoning that says if you can almost make £70 last a week you ought to be able to make £280 almost last four weeks).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 13:37:25 GMT
You can't be serious! Done deliberately to cause people to get into arrears etc? Nothing whatsoever to do with a little more efficiency in the system? Feckless people will always be feckless. I see them regularly in the other bar of my local, and outside the same pub in the sun with a beer when I am on my way home from work..
They might only be paid monthly, but the money is regular, and without too much effort involved. My heart bleeds.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 14:09:49 GMT
You can't be serious! Done deliberately to cause people to get into arrears etc? Nothing whatsoever to do with a little more efficiency in the system? Feckless people will always be feckless. I see them regularly in the other bar of my local, and outside the same pub in the sun with a beer when I am on my way home from work.. They might only be paid monthly, but the money is regular, and without too much effort involved. My heart bleeds....... If you were born in 1900 hw come you're still working, in fact how come you're still alive? What is your secret How come the "feckless" (there's a word we haven't heard since Peter Lilley and the hard right of the 80s/90s) were at the pub, was the Food Bank closed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 14:59:24 GMT
The secret to my long life is hard work, lots of alcohol and lots of sex, but not necessarily in that order.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 23, 2016 15:43:47 GMT
The secret to my long life is hard work, lots of alcohol and lots of sex, but not necessarily in that order. We have been unable to verify any of the above information 😄
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Post by aubrey on Aug 23, 2016 17:31:00 GMT
You can't be serious! Done deliberately to cause people to get into arrears etc? Nothing whatsoever to do with a little more efficiency in the system? Feckless people will always be feckless. I see them regularly in the other bar of my local, and outside the same pub in the sun with a beer when I am on my way home from work.. They might only be paid monthly, but the money is regular, and without too much effort involved. My heart bleeds....... They're quite happy to allow people to get into arrears by cutting benefits (even though they know that's what will happen), so why not? Why not keep it as a two week payment, which is much easier to budget with when there's not much to budget with? Is there a rational reason for that, other than to give the impression that people are only poor because they're not good with money? Most housing benefit is paid to people who are working, by the way.
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Post by hild on Aug 24, 2016 11:58:12 GMT
You can't be serious! Done deliberately to cause people to get into arrears etc? Nothing whatsoever to do with a little more efficiency in the system? Feckless people will always be feckless. I see them regularly in the other bar of my local, and outside the same pub in the sun with a beer when I am on my way home from work.. They might only be paid monthly, but the money is regular, and without too much effort involved. My heart bleeds....... They're quite happy to allow people to get into arrears by cutting benefits (even though they know that's what will happen), so why not? Why not keep it as a two week payment, which is much easier to budget with when there's not much to budget with? Is there a rational reason for that, other than to give the impression that people are only poor because they're not good with money? Most housing benefit is paid to people who are working, by the way. Housing benefit is paid monthly and so are most rents and salaries. I appreciate the date the benefit arrives may be different from the date the rent is due but it was always the case. The majority of people receiving housing benefit are working which points to my other comment; that the rents are too high in the private rented sector and people who are working should be able to afford to rent a property without requiring extra benefits. national minimum wages are rising slowly; certainly they could be much faster at catching up and this should offset some of the benefits received. In terms of social security benefits being paid to working adults, the answer is simple, pay them enough to afford their own way in the world. Too many employers are guilty of relying on the state to prop up their low wages and we know that they have encouraged staff to take on a job by showing them which benefits they can claim once they do. Scandalous. Housing Benefit, Working Tax Credit etc. which are paid to working adults should decrease exponentially once the NMW goes up - but only if we bring in legislation to tackle the private rented sector which will also be looking at the rises in NMW and putting their rents up accordingly - no doubt!! Therefore making more of a buck out of the working poor - as they have always done.
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Post by aubrey on Aug 24, 2016 17:48:10 GMT
With the people I help claim the housing benefit is paid however often the rest is due, which for council tenants is every week, like ours is: the form specifically asks how often rent is due, and whether you would like it paid to yourself or the landlord (most people choose the landlord). With Universal Credit it is every four weeks, and paid to the tenant.
The rest of tour post, yes, agreed.
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