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Post by marispiper on Aug 16, 2016 19:29:26 GMT
When an individual is behaving in an aggressive, threatening manner, refusing to be calmed, what's preferable for an officer to use...baton or taser? I understand recovery from the taser discharge is usually complete. The baton could inflict far more injury.
All the surrounding issues regarding the young man's health only come to light afterwards. In the heat of the moment, the only course of action for the police is to disable the individual.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 21:05:51 GMT
Tbh, in response to events such as this, colour has no relevance whatever. The longer we allow people to make it an issue, it'll be one. You know that, and I know that. The problems happen when groups like "Black lives matter" make things like this an issue |
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Post by marispiper on Aug 16, 2016 21:13:36 GMT
BLM does a good job of creating division
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Post by aubrey on Aug 17, 2016 7:18:08 GMT
BLM does a good job of creating division Come on, it was already there. It's not as if the police don't have a history of disproportionally stopping and searching etc black people. It's the same kind of thing as the old saying It's only called Class War when we fight back. |
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Post by marispiper on Aug 17, 2016 7:22:44 GMT
BLM does a good job of creating division Come on, it was already there. It's not as if the police don't have a history of disproportionally stopping and searching etc black people. It's the same kind of thing as the old saying It's only called Class War when we fight back. I know but BLM go wrong when they don't want to work together to solve things. They don't let white people speak at, or join in their protests. |
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Post by aubrey on Aug 17, 2016 8:03:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 9:43:57 GMT
Tbh, in response to events such as this, colour has no relevance whatever. The longer we allow people to make it an issue, it'll be one. Well said, indeed very well said. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 10:11:23 GMT
BLM does a good job of creating division August saw the anniversary of Mark Duggan's death in 2011 at the hands of a police marksman, and BLM made great play of that event by organised protests I must confess to having some sympathy for this cause, how on earth a jury could return a verdict of lawful killing of an unarmed person escapes me. And how were the police allowed to get away with their behaviour and actions after the shooting Something stinks about this case, and Joe Public should be more vociferous about demanding justice. That does not however excuse BLM juming on the bandwagon
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Post by aubrey on Aug 17, 2016 10:23:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 11:07:09 GMT
Yes it is, which is why the police are more likely to hang around there, together with other inner city areas.
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Post by aubrey on Aug 17, 2016 11:36:09 GMT
I've broken the law many more times in places like Hampstead than I have in Brixton. Just never been caught. There are places in London where I would be very nervous about carrying an eighth of an oz (say) because there are more police there and you have much more of a chance of being stopped and searched. Other places, there's no chance at all of that happening.
You're not going to get a middle-class dinner party raided by the drugs squad, though they're just as likely to have drugs there as the people at some blues party in Brixton.*
If you constantly patrol, and carry out raids, stop and search people etc, in an area you are going to find much more crime there than you do in places where you don't do all that much.
*Do they still have Blues parties?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 13:15:26 GMT
I've broken the law many more times in places like Hampstead than I have in Brixton. Just never been caught. There are places in London where I would be very nervous about carrying an eighth of an oz (say) because there are more police there and you have much more of a chance of being stopped and searched. Other places, there's no chance at all of that happening. You're not going to get a middle-class dinner party raided by the drugs squad, though they're just as likely to have drugs there as the people at some blues party in Brixton.* If you constantly patrol, and carry out raids, stop and search people etc, in an area you are going to find much more crime there than you do in places where you don't do all that much. *Do they still have Blues parties? A GP once prescribed a course of Drinamyl tablets for me (purple hearts) as a pick me up following a debilitating illness.. I only took one tablet, the rest went down the toilet - we went to a dinner party and I managed to insult all the diners so much so that one never spoke to me again |
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Post by aubrey on Aug 17, 2016 13:43:40 GMT
^^^
You could have tried the Brahms method: one time, leaving a dinner party where he had insulted pretty much everybody, he apologised to anyone he had left out.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 17, 2016 18:41:57 GMT
The BLM stance posted outlines just what I mean. As far as I can see, they are about the protest (which does have legitimacy) but they are not about solutions. Therefore, I am not a supporter of this movement...who would not want me in any case.
I have heard many black men,including in my circle of friends, rightly affronted at being targeted for stop and search AND frequently with no courtesy whatever. How would I know what that feels like?
However, put yourself in the position of the police officer having a description of a suspect...black, age 20 to 25, short hair, well built etc.
How do you decide who to pull over or speak to?
That description probably fits pretty much every black young man on the street!
Both are at a disadvantage.
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Post by aubrey on Aug 17, 2016 20:44:27 GMT
The stop and searches were not after a particular suspect they had a description of: they were just of random young black men. Young black men in more than usually expensive cars got stopped a lot as well - any successful young black man would have been stopped a lot.
When I was stopped that time they said they had a description of someone who'd done a robbery that fitted mine. They looked through my wallet and asked me to describe a newspaper clipping in there. I couldn't think (though it was to do with The Fall and I should have known that) but they gave it back to me and let me go anyway, because they knew they couldn't pin anything like that on me and didn't really want to. They must have though I had some drugs on me, which was why (they supposed) I was walking as I was, not as it was because of the cold.
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