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Post by ARENA on Aug 10, 2016 11:38:05 GMT
Aubery is right Jonjel . Over-legislation is not the answer. Surely your Mum told you 'prevention is better than cure'. Education is the only answer. Education is exactly the reason why these young men think and act the way they do...and I mean the indoctrination they receive initially through family then compounded by fundamentalist imams and mosques (not to mention online). We are talking about a deeply held belief which they are not going to suddenly see reason on. This isn't simply antisocial behaviour you know. If you think a lesson week in PHSE is going to make ANY impression on that, sorry... I think you are wrong. Is that what you think I said?
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Post by ARENA on Aug 10, 2016 11:41:33 GMT
Aubery is right Jonjel . Over-legislation is not the answer. Surely your Mum told you 'prevention is better than cure'. Education is the only answer. Trouble is that you cannot re-educate or influence a fanatic Bit like trying to train a dangerous pit bull terrier to be a cuddly lapdog
Educate is the word NOT re-educate. BTW any dog can be trained, from day one, to be a 'cuddly lap dog'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 11:46:40 GMT
I think I know what you said Arena, and don't think education is the answer. We have been educating people in this country for centuries and still fail to 'educate 'people into our way of life. I think the time has come for a bit of hard thinking, and maybe hard action, and I don't mean by that retribution.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 10, 2016 11:52:21 GMT
Where will these young men who are being brought up to hold these ideals, receive the 'education' you think will prevent this kind of thing? Who will teach it to them ?
I have worked all my life in education, being part of hard-hitting programmes trying to get across the message about knife/gun crime, drugs, reckless driving...etc. I am not saying don't run these things, but I also know how limited their success is.
And all the above are simply (haha) trying to alter behaviour...and that is hard enough! Try to alter a belief ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 15:23:32 GMT
Trouble is that you cannot re-educate or influence a fanatic Bit like trying to train a dangerous pit bull terrier to be a cuddly lapdog
Educate is the word NOT re-educate. BTW any dog can be trained, from day one, to be a 'cuddly lap dog' I wish I had your optimism, I just feel more and more uneasy in my own Country BTW We have all heard the owners of vicious dogs that have attacked, maimed, and in one case I remember, killed, telling the media what a lovely cuddly well behaved pet they own
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Post by aubrey on Aug 10, 2016 16:23:37 GMT
What is "Our Way of Life" though? Tolerance of differences? Tell that to the people who have been beaten up for wearing a turban (stupid anti-islamists don't know the difference), or those prosecuted for carrying out consensual but unusual sex practices. Our Way of Life means, to many people in the UK, My Way of Life, and No One Else's.
Yes, you don't kill people for not having the same religious views as you; but you don't beat them up either: you don't write in a newspaper that they should not be allowed to present a TV programme.
Integration goes both ways: you can't integrate into a society that doesn't want you, and looking through the comment pages of, say, a Daily Mail story about, say, Naga Munchetti, you get the sense that anyone openly not white really isn't wanted.
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Post by anybody on Aug 11, 2016 7:28:48 GMT
Agreed Aubrey.
Our way of life is different for individuals. Some people in the South of England disparage anyone from 'beyond the Watford Gap' and positively dislike the Scots. Some people take pride in having a job,any job.Some love getting handouts from the state.
Why should you feel uneasy? Been reading the press again?
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Post by marispiper on Aug 11, 2016 7:44:08 GMT
Agreed Aubrey. Our way of life is different for individuals. Some people in the South of England disparage anyone from 'beyond the Watford Gap' and positively dislike the Scots. Some people take pride in having a job,any job.Some love getting handouts from the state. Why should you feel uneasy? Been reading the press again? We were on the receiving end of anti-English jibes in Sterling on our last holiday in Scotland by a group of youths. Nice.
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Post by aubrey on Aug 11, 2016 7:58:32 GMT
I don't feel uneasy. We have Muslims living next door. They give us little biscuits and fried pastries.
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Post by goldelox on Aug 11, 2016 8:18:07 GMT
Many people feel uneasy living in the UK. The majority are Middle Eastern and Asian women.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 9:00:02 GMT
Many people feel uneasy living in the UK. The majority are Middle Eastern and Asian women. There's a simple answer to that
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 9:02:19 GMT
Agreed Aubrey. Our way of life is different for individuals. Some people in the South of England disparage anyone from 'beyond the Watford Gap' and positively dislike the Scots. Some people take pride in having a job,any job.Some love getting handouts from the state. Why should you feel uneasy? Been reading the press again? I do like to keep myself informed On line, newspapers, TV news and current affairs
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Post by clioseward on Aug 11, 2016 9:42:48 GMT
Many people feel uneasy living in the UK. The majority are Middle Eastern and Asian women. There's a simple answer to that What ,punish the victims? Save
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