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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 17:40:00 GMT
"Tanveer Ahmed raises his fist and yells to supporters in court as he is led away to serve his sentence for the "barbaric" murder."
news.sky.com/story/shopkeeper-killer-given-life-for-execution-10528873
This bigot showed his defiance as he was led away to start his sentence, which was applauded by his supporters who were in Court. Those same supporters praised him as they left Court and claimed he was justified in committing this murder These people are living amongst us, are we or should we be worried? |
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Post by althea on Aug 9, 2016 18:19:29 GMT
I think we are,aren't we?
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Post by marispiper on Aug 10, 2016 8:45:36 GMT
Yes, forty of them I hear. One justified the murderer saying "that man (shopkeeper) disrespected my prophet"
A young Moslem woman was on the radio this morning, saying the murderer was a psychopath...she said she couldn't criticise him as a Moslem...only for his actions, calling him a nutter.
Psychiatric tests would've been done in a case like this in any case...so, no.
Apologists add greatly to this problem.
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Post by honeybear on Aug 10, 2016 9:11:39 GMT
He makes a mockery of the very thing he holds so dear.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 9:21:59 GMT
I think I am a reasonably tolerant man but I feel a growing sense of outrage at this, and also other similar hate crimes. I think a simple change in the law might be overdue.
We send this man to prison for 27 years. I don't have a problem if we send him there for a whole life term. However that is at a cost to the taxpayer of at least 50K a year. Then you add to that the support you have to give to his family as he is not able to support them. Impossible to calculate, but many millions.
Now I don't know this mans background but I strongly suspect he is not British born and has acquired British citizenship. I think there should be a way of revoking that citizenship, deporting him immediately to where he originally came from and be done with it.
My reasoning is, first we save a shed load of money, and it is probable it would act as a deterrent to others. Also he would not be free to radicalise others while he was in prison. Never mind the bleeding hearts who tell us that that would be inhumane, and we might be sending him back to somewhere he might be persecuted. Tough, he should have thought of that in the first place. Second, if you live in this country and decide to make it your home you abide by certain rules of behaviour. They are by no means draconian. I don't have a problem if I want to go into a mosque in removing my shoes. I don't have a problem in some countries that I am not allowed to drink, or that in some places in Israel I cant get my groceries on a Friday, or that in many places my girl friend is not allowed to strip semi naked on a beach. . Their counties and culture, their rules
This is not Muslim bashing, I would feel the same about anyone from any culture that chose to bring their own medieval or brutal culture of any kind to this country
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Post by marispiper on Aug 10, 2016 10:13:16 GMT
Jon you are SO reasonable and I echo all you say, as I guess would the large majority of our citizens.
However, it is always a small, but very vocal opposition to common sense and reason, who seem able to block such action. We always bow to them, either from fear or not wishing to discriminate. And yet, as you rightly say, we would adapt to respect the cultural norms in Moslem countries.
I wonder if Theresa would be on your side?
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Post by ARENA on Aug 10, 2016 10:22:28 GMT
Rafiq Hayat, of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association UK, said: "Mr Shah's only crime was to spread a message of love and compassion and the whole city paid tribute to him for his kindness and care.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 10:27:28 GMT
Rafiq Hayat, of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Association UK, said: "Mr Shah's only crime was to spread a message of love and compassion and the whole city paid tribute to him for his kindness and care. Indeed he did Arena, and it is sad - bloody outrageous actually that the poor buggers family did not dare to go to court to see his murderer sentenced and from what I read have had to move house out of fear for their own safety |
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Post by aubrey on Aug 10, 2016 10:53:38 GMT
A law like that would be misused though, Jonjel, the same way that anti-terrorism laws are misused.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 10:58:41 GMT
A law like that would be misused though, Jonjel, the same way that anti-terrorism laws are misused. That is why we have lawyers Aubrey, and I think it could work if there were enough thought put into it, and with sufficient safeguards. |
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Post by ARENA on Aug 10, 2016 11:03:57 GMT
Aubery is right Jonjel . Over-legislation is not the answer.
Surely your Mum told you 'prevention is better than cure'.
Education is the only answer.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 10, 2016 11:16:17 GMT
That murderer drove all that way and spoke to the shopkeeper, explained why he was there, and killed him right there and then. It is chilling that we have people who not only believe in the death penalty simply on the grounds of a difference of practice of faith AND are willing to carry out that execution.
It was discussed on Newsnight but I angrily turned it off...more extremists getting air time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 11:25:54 GMT
I think I am a reasonably tolerant man but I feel a growing sense of outrage at this, and also other similar hate crimes. I think a simple change in the law might be overdue. We send this man to prison for 27 years. I don't have a problem if we send him there for a whole life term. However that is at a cost to the taxpayer of at least 50K a year. Then you add to that the support you have to give to his family as he is not able to support them. Impossible to calculate, but many millions. Now I don't know this mans background but I strongly suspect he is not British born and has acquired British citizenship. I think there should be a way of revoking that citizenship, deporting him immediately to where he originally came from and be done with it. My reasoning is, first we save a shed load of money, and it is probable it would act as a deterrent to others. Also he would not be free to radicalise others while he was in prison. Never mind the bleeding hearts who tell us that that would be inhumane, and we might be sending him back to somewhere he might be persecuted. Tough, he should have thought of that in the first place. Second, if you live in this country and decide to make it your home you abide by certain rules of behaviour. They are by no means draconian. I don't have a problem if I want to go into a mosque in removing my shoes. I don't have a problem in some countries that I am not allowed to drink, or that in some places in Israel I cant get my groceries on a Friday, or that in many places my girl friend is not allowed to strip semi naked on a beach. . Their counties and culture, their rules This is not Muslim bashing, I would feel the same about anyone from any culture that chose to bring their own medieval or brutal culture of any kind to this country I agree, if people are not prepared to accept our way of life and values then we should send them to somewhere that shares their views |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 11:27:33 GMT
Aubery is right Jonjel . Over-legislation is not the answer. Surely your Mum told you 'prevention is better than cure'. Education is the only answer. Trouble is that you cannot re-educate or influence a fanatic Bit like trying to train a dangerous pit bull terrier to be a cuddly lapdog
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Post by marispiper on Aug 10, 2016 11:32:52 GMT
Aubery is right Jonjel . Over-legislation is not the answer. Surely your Mum told you 'prevention is better than cure'. Education is the only answer. Education is exactly the reason why these young men think and act the way they do...and I mean the indoctrination they receive initially through family then compounded by fundamentalist imams and mosques (not to mention online). We are talking about a deeply held belief which they are not going to suddenly see reason on. This isn't simply antisocial behaviour you know. If you think a lesson week in PHSE is going to make ANY impression on that, sorry... I think you are wrong. |
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