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Post by anybody on Jul 17, 2016 9:41:37 GMT
If you want to win as a politician, the bigger the lie, the better. For instance -
Last November, Donald Trump tweeted a recycled image that included the claim that “Whites killed by blacks – 81%”, citing “Crime Statistics Bureau – San Francisco”. The US fact-checking site Politifact identified this as completely fabricated – the “Bureau” did not exist, and the true figure is around 15%. When confronted with this, Trump shrugged and said, “Am I going to check every statistic?”
Any more?
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Post by aubrey on Jul 17, 2016 11:36:09 GMT
Everything Trump has said, or will say, would probably fit into this.
£350 million a week to be spent on the HNS if we vote to leave the NHS (along with a film of an old woman, contrasting the state of her treatment for a fall, in or out). Completely disavowed by everyone in all the Leave campaigns the day after the election - no one knew how it had got in there, really they didn't.
The threat of millions of Turks and Albanians and the rest, all wanting to come here (and nowhere else in Europe) as soon as they got in the EU (which was going to happen imminently), if we stayed in the EU.
Universal Credit being easier to use, for both the claimant and the DWP, as well as being much cheaper to administrate. Only 4 years behind now. Someone ought to have whispered in IDS's ear, when he made the announcement: I think you'll find it's more complicated than that.
So far UC is billions over budget, but no Govt minister has ever admitted that there have been problems, and in January the DWP said: This revolutionary new benefit is rolling out on time and on budget. It is already in three-quarters of all job centres, and will be in 100 per cent by Spring. (Though they did not add that this is only for claims by single people, which are the least complex of claims, and even for those it's 4 years behind.)
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Post by anybody on Jul 18, 2016 8:47:40 GMT
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Post by clioseward on Jul 18, 2016 9:06:22 GMT
So true. My late husband was a great fan of Mark Twain.
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Post by ARENA on Jul 18, 2016 11:33:25 GMT
Activists have acquired Boris Johnson’s EU referendum battle bus and parked it outside Parliament. They’re covering the bold-faced NHS lie with thousands of messages of hope instead. The EU referendum campaign was full of exaggerations and lies on both sides. With a brand new government now in place, we need to demand that our new leaders will shape our future on truth, not more lies. Theresa May, Boris Johnson and the rest of the new government need to hear what we are all concerned about most. Send your message to them and it will get added to the thousands of messages on the bus. Remember to be polite and respectful! www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36823684
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Post by marispiper on Jul 18, 2016 13:14:55 GMT
I liked the ironic title of this thread...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 13:58:49 GMT
Activists have acquired Boris Johnson’s EU referendum battle bus and parked it outside Parliament. They’re covering the bold-faced NHS lie with thousands of messages of hope instead. The EU referendum campaign was full of exaggerations and lies on both sides. With a brand new government now in place, we need to demand that our new leaders will shape our future on truth, not more lies. Theresa May, Boris Johnson and the rest of the new government need to hear what we are all concerned about most. Send your message to them and it will get added to the thousands of messages on the bus. Remember to be polite and respectful! www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36823684You should look at the slogan on the bus more carefully Aubrey and Arena and not just repeat what the lack of joined up thinking brigade are saying. It does not say anywhere the £350 million will be spent on the NHS. Those two facts are on there, but are not conjoined in a promise or anything like a promise.
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Post by ARENA on Jul 18, 2016 14:05:18 GMT
Activists have acquired Boris Johnson’s EU referendum battle bus and parked it outside Parliament. They’re covering the bold-faced NHS lie with thousands of messages of hope instead. The EU referendum campaign was full of exaggerations and lies on both sides. With a brand new government now in place, we need to demand that our new leaders will shape our future on truth, not more lies. Theresa May, Boris Johnson and the rest of the new government need to hear what we are all concerned about most. Send your message to them and it will get added to the thousands of messages on the bus. Remember to be polite and respectful! www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36823684You should look at the slogan on the bus more carefully Aubrey and Arena and not just repeat what the lack of joined up thinking brigade are saying. It does not say anywhere the £350 million will be spent on the NHS. Those two facts are on there, but are not conjoined in a promise or anything like a promise. View AttachmentWith such hair-splitting ability, you might consider a job in politics. Could you point out where I actually stated they were?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 14:09:45 GMT
I think you said 'The bold faced NHS lie'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 14:18:38 GMT
I think you said 'The bold faced NHS lie' If you had listened to the liars during the campaign they constantly linked the two together
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 14:48:35 GMT
I think you said 'The bold faced NHS lie' If you had listened to the liars during the campaign they constantly linked the two together I won't dispute that the remain side conjoined the two, but I don't think the leave side conjured up another £350million a week for the NHS. I may be wrong but I think that is a 'fact' which has been exaggerated. What grates is that time after time you hear some group or another saying they are going to lose their funding if we come out. Well technically yes, but GB is in deficit to the UE, we pay in more than we get out, and what does come out is in the form of grants (with strings attached) or loans, and loans have to be paid back. And post Brexit there is nothing to stop the government spending the money on exactly the same things as before.
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Post by marispiper on Jul 18, 2016 15:15:12 GMT
There is often great varience between what is actually said and what is heard...regarding the bus and the NHS, lies were heard!
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Post by ARENA on Jul 18, 2016 15:18:58 GMT
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Post by aubrey on Jul 18, 2016 16:40:02 GMT
Activists have acquired Boris Johnson’s EU referendum battle bus and parked it outside Parliament. They’re covering the bold-faced NHS lie with thousands of messages of hope instead. The EU referendum campaign was full of exaggerations and lies on both sides. With a brand new government now in place, we need to demand that our new leaders will shape our future on truth, not more lies. Theresa May, Boris Johnson and the rest of the new government need to hear what we are all concerned about most. Send your message to them and it will get added to the thousands of messages on the bus. Remember to be polite and respectful! www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36823684You should look at the slogan on the bus more carefully Aubrey and Arena and not just repeat what the lack of joined up thinking brigade are saying. It does not say anywhere the £350 million will be spent on the NHS. Those two facts are on there, but are not conjoined in a promise or anything like a promise. ___________________________________________ Well, no they didn't: and even the TV advert said "could" be spent on the NHS: and then spent 5 minutes showing what this could look like; and it also definitely said £350 million, when it's nothing like that much. They also showed a map of Europe with arrows shooting from several countries outside the EU towards the UK, giving the impression that people from all those countries were going to invade the UK. Xenophobic nonsense, and you'd have thought they'd have been ashamed of doing something like that (as they turned out to be, since no one seemed to have been responsible for it). It was all done to suggest: but they denied even the suggestion after the vote. This was all misdirection, like Uri Gellar does: and just about as honest. (How do you do multi quotes, by the way? This will only let me post in Jonjel's box, so to speak, and not under or above it.)
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Post by aubrey on Jul 18, 2016 16:48:22 GMT
As MT said............. It's a bit much using a quote from a liberal like Clemens to slag off liberals in general. Conservatives really have no idea, do they?
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