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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 11:22:44 GMT
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Post by HILD on Sept 5, 2016 12:00:49 GMT
Quite an unusual statement from people who still for the most part come from middle-class and above backgrounds. I have read all about the deal and it really does seem quite fair to me. I have years of experience in the NHS and I have NEVER had anything remotely like an 11% pay rise and we must remember that some 'junior' doctors are already earning in excess of £70K. Some of these doctors decided to halt their careers to restrict their hours and responsibility themselves but can earn sums of money unlikely to be achieved by someone in another sector e.g. engineering if they decided to remain at a middle level for the rest of their careers. Let's be clear here some Staff Grade Doctors have failed their final specialist exams or chosen not to take them (not all but a decent number fall into this category). You get 2 goes here in the UK and potentially 1 in Ireland and this is as far as they can go with their careers but in my opinion they are remunerated well enough considering this. This does not stop them working privately for another consultant so the NHS is not their only source of income, they can assistant within the private sector and often do. Please remember that these doctors are no more skilled than anyone else in any other sector who is in a middle management role, e.g. architect, engineer, teacher.
We need to take the romance and saintliness out of this argument. These people are doing a job in their chosen career field. They have studied it and learnt it and eventually after many years, we hope they have acquired the skill (not always it has to be said). It is very difficult to be dismissed as a doctor, indeed it is very difficult to be disciplined, you have to be almost foolhardy and reckless for this to happen. You nearly always have to end up killing someone or deliberately lying about results. It has to be something incredibly serious for someone to even tell you off. For those doctors who choose not to become consultants and those doctors who cannot reach that level the pay is actually pretty excellent up to around £75K.
I personally think they should get on with it, they chose the career path best suited to them; a career path where the main employer was the state and their prospects are excellent as long as they wish them to be, they can stop at whichever level they choose to and still earn in excess of the average wage.
There are numerous doctors out there talking about emigrating, I am sure there are patients who would have a whip round for the air fare of some of them. They are not all saintly, they are certainly not all caring and to be honest sometimes they are right arrogant b's who are more concerned about their next skiing holiday, I know I work with them and it is time we took the rose coloured specs off.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 12:23:46 GMT
Years ago teachers were revered until the NUT were infiltrated by Trots and Joe Public started treating them like any other workers The same will now happen with doctors The government should relax the "closed shop" that currently exists where doctors have too much control over health care treatment. For instance they could make it possible to buy antibiotics from a Pharmacy, this is possible in some European countries and works very well
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 15:11:25 GMT
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Post by aubrey on Sept 5, 2016 16:31:02 GMT
Oh, it's the Daily Mail. The thing is, we won't notice any difference until it's too late - it's being done in bits.
Gus, I don't want to fall out over this, and we're never going to agree. So I'm going to leave off now. I am genuinely scared about the future of the NHS though. I'm not a Trot (who tend to be far too humourless and uncultured for me), and the places I got my information from are not Trot sites either. I am really worried about what it will look like in 5, 10 years.
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