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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 10:30:36 GMT
Your figures are incomplete For instance in 1989 I remember paying for spectacles and dental work Prescription charges have been made since Harold Wilson's government of the 70s One of the doctors in the heated BMA debate about strike action is reported as saying "We will break May and continue the work of Arthur Scargill Who says this is not political Senior doctors are not happy with this action "Senior Doctors Condemn Strikes By Junior Colleagues" news.sky.com/story/junior-doctors-announce-15-more-days-of-strikes-10561762
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Post by aubrey on Sept 2, 2016 10:47:11 GMT
This is about private companies taking over the easier NHS services and making a profit from them (and abandoning the patients when more work is needed, not whether things are paid for by patients. It is fragmenting a national service and selling off bits of it: private companies making a profit out of public services.
What the doctors are doing is no more political than what Hunt is doing - something that was not in the Conservative manifesto, and which Cameron specifically promised would not happen. In relation to the miners' strike, it's more like Hunt continuing the work of Thatcher (Scargill lost).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 11:06:53 GMT
This is about private companies taking over the easier NHS services and making a profit from them (and abandoning the patients when more work is needed, not whether things are paid for by patients. It is fragmenting a national service and selling off bits of it: private companies making a profit out of public services. What the doctors are doing is no more political than what Hunt is doing - something that was not in the Conservative manifesto, and which Cameron specifically promised would not happen. In relation to the miners' strike, it's more like Hunt continuing the work of Thatcher (Scargill lost). What is wrong with patients paying for services if they can afford it? It is only in Corbyn's mad utopia where everything is free for whatever you want with no regard as to how to pay for it I saw one of his young disciples trotting out the renationalise the railways and stop all private work on the NHS mantra. When asked how it would be paid for the answer was "We haven't worked that out yet"!!
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Post by aubrey on Sept 3, 2016 9:27:38 GMT
I'm not talking about patients paying: I'm talking about a fragmented health service where private companies get to cream off the easy and profitable bits - still paid for through taxation - and the NHS gets the hard bits, and the easy bits that turn out to be more complicated.
More is spent, from taxation, on the railway now than when it was nationalised.
A vote of 40% of people entitled to vote would be a landslide in a general election.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 11:45:39 GMT
More and more of those connected with the NHS, many in senior roles are condemning this action Will this be enough to sway those sensible doctors who did not want to strike, to carry on working. They are more concerned with providing café for patients than pursuing a political agenda, have you seen some of these grim faced doctors trying to defend their actions on the TV. Don't think I would wish to be treated by any of them, they can happily clear off to work in this wonderland they claim exists as far as I am concerned
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Post by aubrey on Sept 4, 2016 11:20:46 GMT
You could always go private.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 11:49:02 GMT
You could always go private. Why should I? I have paid my dues over many years of working, unlike these radical strikers who have paid very little if anything yet are determined to stop me having the care I am entitled to for their political aims I had a check up last week with my consultant following surgery, and he had a junior with him. When I questioned him about his attitude to this action I succeeded in making him very embarrassed and uncomfortable
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Post by aubrey on Sept 4, 2016 14:10:36 GMT
You seem fairly sanguine about chunks of the NHS being taken over by private companies.
And why don't you call Jeremy Hunt's actions political? Because what he's doing (and what the doctors are striking against) is fundamentally changing the structure of the NHS, with no mandate, let alone one from 40% of the population that is entitled to vote.
You forget that industrial disputes always have two sides: it's as if the doctors have taken it into their heads to go on strike for no reason.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 17:13:27 GMT
You seem fairly sanguine about chunks of the NHS being taken over by private companies. And why don't you call Jeremy Hunt's actions political? Because what he's doing (and what the doctors are striking against) is fundamentally changing the structure of the NHS, with no mandate, let alone one from 40% of the population that is entitled to vote. You forget that industrial disputes always have two sides: it's as if the doctors have taken it into their heads to go on strike for no reason. Jeremy Hunt is simply pursuing the Governments policy on which they were recently elected, I think Ed Miliband proposed similar Corbyn type "leftish" proposals which were soundly rejected by the electorate
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Post by aubrey on Sept 5, 2016 8:11:42 GMT
You seem fairly sanguine about chunks of the NHS being taken over by private companies. And why don't you call Jeremy Hunt's actions political? Because what he's doing (and what the doctors are striking against) is fundamentally changing the structure of the NHS, with no mandate, let alone one from 40% of the population that is entitled to vote. You forget that industrial disputes always have two sides: it's as if the doctors have taken it into their heads to go on strike for no reason. Jeremy Hunt is simply pursuing the Governments policy on which they were recently elected, I think Ed Miliband proposed similar Corbyn type "leftish" proposals which were soundly rejected by the electorate He isn't: the Tories said nothing about breaking up the NHS, this time or the previous time. Even Portillo reckoned they wouldn't have been elected if they'd said what they planned. More than that, they've done all they can to hide it, doing it in little bits - even the big cuts to come in October will be done locally, so as to minimise protest.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 8:27:45 GMT
Jeremy Hunt is simply pursuing the Governments policy on which they were recently elected, I think Ed Miliband proposed similar Corbyn type "leftish" proposals which were soundly rejected by the electorate He isn't: the Tories said nothing about breaking up the NHS, this time or the previous time. Even Portillo reckoned they wouldn't have been elected if they'd said what they planned. More than that, they've done all they can to hide it, doing it in little bits - even the big cuts to come in October will be done locally, so as to minimise protest. I don't recognise the NHS you describe, I suspect that you have swallowed hook line and sinker the political propaganda put out by Labour and the trots who have infiltrated thee doctors In April I was diagnosed with a cancerous tumour, in June I had surgery to remove it ay a specialist hospital. Now having follow up consultations and planned check ups every three months. The NHS even paid for my costs to travel to the specialist hospital Apart from predictable worry I have had no costs at all, and have had superb world class tretment
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Post by goldelox on Sept 5, 2016 9:10:54 GMT
Citing one case is no proof of anything and saying the doctors have been infiltrated by 'trots', is sort of condemning the very people who treated you or did you insist on Tory staff only. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 10:04:00 GMT
Citing one case is no proof of anything and saying the doctors have been infiltrated by 'trots', is sort of condemning the very people who treated you or did you insist on Tory staff only. LOL One of then said at the BMA meeting to decide on action "let's smash May and carry on where Arthur Scargill left off" That's a "trot" enough for me, I don't care if doctors treating me are Tory, Labour, LibDem, Green or whatever. It is the fact that I am getting treated is what is important and IMO Jeremy Hunt and the Tories are doing their utmost to ensure that I get that treatment, seven days a week What is wrong with "One case", it is a true happening - not a supposed figment of the left
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Post by goldelox on Sept 5, 2016 10:34:21 GMT
"let's smash May and carry on where Arthur Scargill left off" Where can I read that? Save
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 11:18:58 GMT
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