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Post by aubrey on Aug 22, 2016 18:38:18 GMT
I can't agree, Gus. It should not go to the NHS. It should be for stuff that is not necessary: NHS funding should not have to rely on discretionary spending - a ticket if you've got enough spare change. It should come from tax. Increased tax, if you're really serious.
Besides, £36 million a week is nothing, in terms of NHS spending: it wouldn't make any difference.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 22, 2016 18:47:02 GMT
No,no,no. The NHS should be properly funded by the taxpayer - not the lottery which was never intended to fund any area covered by HMGov. I sympathise with anybody waiting for surgery but the Olympics has nothing to do with it. I think it is a shame that some sports received little or no funding... that certainly needs to be addressed. Also I feel the same about the Opera House. I support a local charity assisting disadvantaged people. We get donations of furniture, linen, etc and pass these on (usually by request from Social Services!) to those in need. We applied for a lottery grant of £13,000 for a newer van. Unsuccessful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 8:36:58 GMT
Now here is an idea. Lets fund the NHS by selling all the artwork in the Tate, and the site. Not that many people visit and it is in London so there are lots of other places tourists can go. It should raise billions.
I heard a statistic that if all the lottery money and the public money had gone to the NHS it would have funded the NHS for, wait for it. One day! Well as long as that day is when I need treatment I reckon that is fine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 11:38:09 GMT
Now here is an idea. Lets fund the NHS by selling all the artwork in the Tate, and the site. Not that many people visit and it is in London so there are lots of other places tourists can go. It should raise billions. I heard a statistic that if all the lottery money and the public money had gone to the NHS it would have funded the NHS for, wait for it. One day! Well as long as that day is when I need treatment I reckon that is fine. Nearly £2,000 million allocated by the Lottery to good causes in the year to April 2006. I think it would be a welcome addition to the NHS budget. I like the idea of getting rid of these surplus institutions and disposing of the contents, there a quite a few with valuable contents that again would provide much needed extra funds for healthcare.. This Forum is for us "Oldies" who require more and more care, who needs the family silver?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 11:40:15 GMT
No,no,no. The NHS should be properly funded by the taxpayer - not the lottery which was never intended to fund any area covered by HMGov. I sympathise with anybody waiting for surgery but the Olympics has nothing to do with it. I think it is a shame that some sports received little or no funding... that certainly needs to be addressed. Also I feel the same about the Opera House. I support a local charity assisting disadvantaged people. We get donations of furniture, linen, etc and pass these on (usually by request from Social Services!) to those in need. We applied for a lottery grant of £13,000 for a newer van. Unsuccessful. No doubt you, like me, cheered on the woman from the slums of Brazil who won a gold medal. Don't imagine she was supported, and her medal "bought", the true spirit of the Olympic movement
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Post by marispiper on Aug 23, 2016 11:47:29 GMT
Oh my goodness, surplus institutions? ? Dispose of the contents? I bet Althea has an opinion on that! Some people would say oldies are surplus to requirements 😁 Are you playing devil's advocate?
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Post by hild on Aug 23, 2016 12:24:29 GMT
Oh my goodness, surplus institutions? ? Dispose of the contents? I bet Althea has an opinion on that! Some people would say oldies are surplus to requirements 😁 Are you playing devil's advocate? I presuming that this was a joke too, suggesting that the contents of an art gallery are sold to pay for the NHS. There are more hospitals and clinics than art galleries and museums and once we had sold all of the 'surplus' stuff we can't sell it again the following year to get more cash.... then what. Oh I know a proper taxations system, where everyone pays their fair share and tax dodging and tax avoiding are joined up (because in reality we all know that tax avoiding is immoral don't we, so let's make it criminal too) so that there are no loopholes, why not stop the banks we bailed out from paying whopping great big bonuses to themselves, let's prosecute business men who raid pension funds to enrich themselves in their tax havens ...... you know stuff like that, proper stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 13:06:52 GMT
Oh my goodness, surplus institutions? ? Dispose of the contents? I bet Althea has an opinion on that! Some people would say oldies are surplus to requirements 😁 Are you playing devil's advocate? I presuming that this was a joke too, suggesting that the contents of an art gallery are sold to pay for the NHS. There are more hospitals and clinics than art galleries and museums and once we had sold all of the 'surplus' stuff we can't sell it again the following year to get more cash.... then what. Oh I know a proper taxations system, where everyone pays their fair share and tax dodging and tax avoiding are joined up (because in reality we all know that tax avoiding is immoral don't we, so let's make it criminal too) so that there are no loopholes, why not stop the banks we bailed out from paying whopping great big bonuses to themselves, let's prosecute business men who raid pension funds to enrich themselves in their tax havens ...... you know stuff like that, proper stuff! It was indeed a joke hild (why not just register!) as I am a little bit peed off by the loony left not only here bleating on about how much things cost, ignoring the value. Are we as a nation so impoverished that we cant afford not only the essentials such as health but a bit of spending on a bit of fun! Some people won't be happy until everyone earns the same, looks the same in regulation dress and anything seen as remotely decadent or fun is banned, and the money spent on the NHS
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Post by ARENA on Aug 23, 2016 13:11:56 GMT
I presuming that this was a joke too, suggesting that the contents of an art gallery are sold to pay for the NHS. There are more hospitals and clinics than art galleries and museums and once we had sold all of the 'surplus' stuff we can't sell it again the following year to get more cash.... then what. Oh I know a proper taxations system, where everyone pays their fair share and tax dodging and tax avoiding are joined up (because in reality we all know that tax avoiding is immoral don't we, so let's make it criminal too) so that there are no loopholes, why not stop the banks we bailed out from paying whopping great big bonuses to themselves, let's prosecute business men who raid pension funds to enrich themselves in their tax havens ...... you know stuff like that, proper stuff! It was indeed a joke hild (why not just register!) as I am a little bit peed off by the loony left not only here bleating on about how much things cost, ignoring the value. Are we as a nation so impoverished that we cant afford not only the essentials such as health but a bit of spending on a bit of fun! Some people won't be happy until everyone earns the same, looks the same in regulation dress and anything seen as remotely decadent or fun is banned, and the money spent on the NHS The meedja, who normally try to stir it ,over this sort of news item, have done a complete volte face. Last night the news reader on BBC TV was saying...."but it only works out to less than a £ per head of the population.".Figures are such fun, you can get them to mean whatever you like!
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Post by aubrey on Aug 23, 2016 13:16:19 GMT
I presuming that this was a joke too, suggesting that the contents of an art gallery are sold to pay for the NHS. There are more hospitals and clinics than art galleries and museums and once we had sold all of the 'surplus' stuff we can't sell it again the following year to get more cash.... then what. Oh I know a proper taxations system, where everyone pays their fair share and tax dodging and tax avoiding are joined up (because in reality we all know that tax avoiding is immoral don't we, so let's make it criminal too) so that there are no loopholes, why not stop the banks we bailed out from paying whopping great big bonuses to themselves, let's prosecute business men who raid pension funds to enrich themselves in their tax havens ...... you know stuff like that, proper stuff! It was indeed a joke hild (why not just register!) as I am a little bit peed off by the loony left not only here bleating on about how much things cost, ignoring the value. Are we as a nation so impoverished that we cant afford not only the essentials such as health but a bit of spending on a bit of fun! Some people won't be happy until everyone earns the same, looks the same in regulation dress and anything seen as remotely decadent or fun is banned, and the money spent on the NHS You get that attitude from the right a lot as well - that's why so many libraries are being closed, national Govt not allowing councils enough to keep them open (and then blaming the closures on the councils). It is the national, Conservative, Govt that is imposing all these cuts, you know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 14:17:53 GMT
I presuming that this was a joke too, suggesting that the contents of an art gallery are sold to pay for the NHS. There are more hospitals and clinics than art galleries and museums and once we had sold all of the 'surplus' stuff we can't sell it again the following year to get more cash.... then what. Oh I know a proper taxations system, where everyone pays their fair share and tax dodging and tax avoiding are joined up (because in reality we all know that tax avoiding is immoral don't we, so let's make it criminal too) so that there are no loopholes, why not stop the banks we bailed out from paying whopping great big bonuses to themselves, let's prosecute business men who raid pension funds to enrich themselves in their tax havens ...... you know stuff like that, proper stuff! It was indeed a joke hild (why not just register!) as I am a little bit peed off by the loony left not only here bleating on about how much things cost, ignoring the value. Are we as a nation so impoverished that we cant afford not only the essentials such as health but a bit of spending on a bit of fun! Some people won't be happy until everyone earns the same, looks the same in regulation dress and anything seen as remotely decadent or fun is banned, and the money spent on the NHS Oi, who are you calling "loony left" A hint of desperation methinks
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 14:23:46 GMT
Oh my goodness, surplus institutions? ? Dispose of the contents? I bet Althea has an opinion on that! Some people would say oldies are surplus to requirements 😁 Are you playing devil's advocate? "It's all about the money" as the song says The faces of those athletes who came second etc, as the realisation that they now would have to find a job sank in I could train them, and teach them such things as "Would you like fries with that"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 14:56:03 GMT
A tad oversensitive methinks. I said 'not only here'. But since this is an abuse free forum I will simply say, 'if the cap fits'
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 9:26:00 GMT
The Paralympics start today Watching some of the competitors I am struggling to see any sign of any disabilities
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 10:20:01 GMT
The Paralympics start today Watching some of the competitors I am struggling to see any sign of any disabilities I put this on another board Gus: So, they start in a couple of days. And it has been widely predicted that stadia will be anything but full. Now I love sport, used to participate and really get a buzz from the best being the best. I hate cheating, doping and all that goes with it. However I look at the Paralympics in a different light. I am obviously impressed by the skill hard work and dedication those people have put in. But somehow I don't regard it as a true test. I know that there are some people who are disabled who will be competing against others who are less disabled, so it can never be a really level playing field. It is an impossible task to categorise people so they are all equally disabled and compete purely on their sporting prowess. The same of course applies in a different way to the 'normal' Olympics. A man of 5'6" will not be competitive in the high jump. Should we therefore segregate the high jump into different heights for the competitors, as we do for say boxers or judo players? No of course not. I will be watching some of it, but certainly not as much as I would or did for the Olympics. So, time for a rethink on the Paralympics?
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