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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 14:32:48 GMT
I understand there are also severe delays in Calais, for people travelling back to the UK. Sadly a sign of the times. I would love to go back to the times when I drifted around most of Europe freely and without really ever having any problems or delays at borders.
And look at the hoo ha you have to go to now getting on a flight.
My personal view is it will never stop the deranged loner, or even the organised 'cell' of terrorists. The former is an impossibility and the latter is down to first class intelligence, and we can think ourselves lucky we have places like GCHQ in the UK. Europe is not quite so joined up between the various agencies, but they do rely to quite a large extent on information from the UK .
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Post by marispiper on Jul 25, 2016 15:51:57 GMT
Saw that KhalsaAid (a Sikh charity) went down to the queues with 6,000 bottles of water...lovely people 😁
As far as would-be jehadis, I would bet there are quite a few here...we've had plenty wanting to travel to Syria - it's not a French or Belgian problem... and the reasons behind the attacks seem without a common link. Yesterday's suicide bomber in Germany (who thankfully didn't gain entrance to the festival) attacked the country 1) that gave him refuge and 2) has never been involved in any Middle East conflict!
Fathom that one out...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 17:44:48 GMT
Saw that KhalsaAid (a Sikh charity) went down to the queues with 6,000 bottles of water...lovely people 😁 As far as would-be jehadis, I would bet there are quite a few here...we've had plenty wanting to travel to Syria - it's not a French or Belgian problem... and the reasons behind the attacks seem without a common link. Yesterday's suicide bomber in Germany (who thankfully didn't gain entrance to the festival) attacked the country 1) that gave him refuge and 2) has never been involved in any Middle East conflict! Fathom that one out... Yesterday's bomber was a Syrian refugee who was refused asylum in Germany There may well be some here but as far as I know nobody from here has attacked France, so far No reason for this supposed risk and extra security
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Post by marispiper on Jul 25, 2016 21:31:13 GMT
The reason for this high level security is to check, check, check...whoever and from wherever they enter your country. Checking takes a long time and the French haven't had the staff.
I recall going through passport control recently in New York which took four hours because they only had two officers on duty and the chap in the booth I spoke to had been on duty 10 hours and he said nobody had yet arrived to relieve him!
But they still had to do the checks...
This is travel these days and it will continue...countries under attack demand it.
Some feel the answer is to build a wall...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 8:53:31 GMT
The reason for this high level security is to check, check, check...whoever and from wherever they enter your country. Checking takes a long time and the French haven't had the staff. I recall going through passport control recently in New York which took four hours because they only had two officers on duty and the chap in the booth I spoke to had been on duty 10 hours and he said nobody had yet arrived to relieve him! But they still had to do the checks... This is travel these days and it will continue...countries under attack demand it. Some feel the answer is to build a wall... I seem to recall that our previous Home Secretary (TM) cut not only our police force numbers but our border control officer numbers as well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 8:54:25 GMT
Now it's mass murder in peace loving Japan Are we becoming immune to such news
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 9:42:14 GMT
Now it's mass murder in peace loving Japan Are we becoming immune to such news Was it a Japanese Muslim?
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Post by goldelox on Jul 26, 2016 9:46:14 GMT
My,my, you are obsessed by the Trump-Farage Muslim-bashing!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 11:14:28 GMT
Now it's an attack in a church in Normandy What kind of mentality would kill an 80 something year old priest by slitting his throat, and try to kill a nun as well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 14:32:03 GMT
My,my, you are obsessed by the Trump-Farage Muslim-bashing! You obviously don't recognise irony goldelox.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 14:37:44 GMT
Now it's an attack in a church in Normandy What kind of mentality would kill an 80 something year old priest by slitting his throat, and try to kill a nun as well Sadly Gus as I have said many times before you will never be able to protect everyone from a lone nutter, on in this case two of them hell bent on murder and mayhem. They might claim to be members of IS, and IS will gleefully claim this and other acts as on of 'theirs', but many other nutters have claimed to be members of all sorts of strange sects, even the son of Christ. We live in a very sad bad world, well some of it.
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Post by marispiper on Jul 26, 2016 16:55:50 GMT
This latest atrocity has upset me greatly. First, because it is yet another inexplicable act of murder but the other reason is that daily Mass attendees are surely the most benign folk on the earth. Simple, devout and typically very elderly.
I am a Catholic and if I go to Mass in the week, I swell the numbers from about 11 to 12!
I put myself in that church and wonder at such extreme hatred.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 14:23:23 GMT
I can only see a couple of hopes in all of this 1. These murderers are always killed themselves so are taken out of any more atrocities, ok I know there are others who will follow their example but they are a finite number 2. Thinking back to the end of last century, N Ireland was bombs and shooting every day and we despaired of them every settling down yet now it is mainly a peaceful country So there is hope
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 14:59:07 GMT
I can only see a couple of hopes in all of this 1. These murderers are always killed themselves so are taken out of any more atrocities, ok I know there are others who will follow their example but they are a finite number 2. Thinking back to the end of last century, N Ireland was bombs and shooting every day and we despaired of them every settling down yet now it is mainly a peaceful country So there is hope You simply can't compare the current situation with IS or whatever manifestation it will adopt with Ireland, or indeed most other terror organisations. If you take Eoka, Mau-Mau the Stern gang and the IRA as just a very small sample of terror organisations they all had a political aim, and their methods to try and achieve it were abhorrent. However IS has no political aims, other than a caliphate encompassing the entire world. And despite my comparison as far as I know none of the terror groups I have named placed a mother and her two year old child in a cage and set light to them.
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Post by marispiper on Jul 27, 2016 17:06:31 GMT
I believe beheading and burning alive were two of the preferred methods of execution used by the prophet - hence this emulation.
I also feel we're just trying to soothe ourselves by trotting out...he was a psychopath..he was on drugs...he was disaffected - in the vain hope that these are one off occurrences. The other thing we hear all the time is that their actions 'have nothing to do with Islam' but this is the view given by moderate cultural Moslems...which we might think of as the gold standard...but the fighters would doubtless call those people infidels, the same as us!
These are men with extreme ideals and we will never comprehend their fervour. It really bothers me that Islam is in the ascendancy with the young being the more hard line and I can see this increasing. For example, the full veil wearers you see are young women, certainly round here. Moslems seek tolerance...but only where they are in the minority. Where they are in the majority they are completely intolerant.
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