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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 21:55:15 GMT
Reading between the lines of what May is saying, we will leave..or not...depending on the deal we can strike...and so it goes on... I am reminded of the Eagles - Hotel California "You can checkout but never leave"
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Post by marispiper on Jul 19, 2016 10:40:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 10:49:52 GMT
Probably. I hate to admit this but I watched George Galloway on QT a week or so back. The one thing he said which I will agree with was ' if you pay a lawyer enough money he will come up with the answer you want' Maybe a bit of a stretch of imagination, but I know what he meant.
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Post by marispiper on Jul 19, 2016 11:07:47 GMT
Admitting you agree with George Galloway (I often do) is likely to expose you to more internet abuse than admitting you voted Leave 😁
I digress...
Surely this legal challenge would just be thrown out?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 11:20:35 GMT
If I understand it correctly only Parliament can vote to leave the EU, the referendum simply indicates the views of the voters but with no legal basis If I am correct then this legal action will win, all the government has to do is to get the Commons to vote on it. It won't happen as the majority of MPs favour Remain
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Post by marispiper on Jul 19, 2016 11:44:56 GMT
If I understand it correctly only Parliament can vote to leave the EU, the referendum simply indicates the views of the voters but with no legal basis If I am correct then this legal action will win, all the government has to do is to get the Commons to vote on it. It won't happen as the majority of MPs favour Remain This oft trotted out phrase "no legal basis" and the view that a referendum is only advisory...maybe somebody should've mentioned that to Alex Salmond...then he could've got the result he wanted, rather than the choice the Scots voted for. It is simply a case of the will of the electorate counting for nothing. A vote in commons would not only divide Remain and Leave, but also those who value democracy and those who stick two fingers up to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 13:11:14 GMT
I am really getting heartily sick of all the whinging from the remainers - parliament will have to decide, there is no legal basis and so on, and on and on.
We had a democratic vote. The question on the ballot paper was unambiguous. And it was to leave.
I voted leave but as I have explained before it was marginal and I voted leave with perhaps 55% conviction. I voted after long and careful thought.
But, if there was another referendum called I would vote out with 100% conviction. And old as I am would consider demonstrating on the streets.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 14:21:23 GMT
If I understand it correctly only Parliament can vote to leave the EU, the referendum simply indicates the views of the voters but with no legal basis If I am correct then this legal action will win, all the government has to do is to get the Commons to vote on it. It won't happen as the majority of MPs favour Remain This oft trotted out phrase "no legal basis" and the view that a referendum is only advisory...maybe somebody should've mentioned that to Alex Salmond...then he could've got the result he wanted, rather than the choice the Scots voted for. It is simply a case of the will of the electorate counting for nothing. A vote in commons would not only divide Remain and Leave, but also those who value democracy and those who stick two fingers up to it. The ultimate "will of the electorate" would be a general election, that is legally binding I have asked before but nobody can tell me, why are the Brexiters afraid of another referendum - maybe they know that this one they would lose, bigtime
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 14:58:25 GMT
We are fast heading down the road of constitutional law, and I together with I would suggest about 17 million others don't like it.
This is no longer really a discussion but a case of the losing side being very bad losers and looking for any excuse to overturn what was a democratic decision. Today I heard the prospective Lib Dem MP for bath say 'Yes, but Bath voted to stay in' Well sod Bath, the country as a whole voted to come out and if Bath wants to stay in I suggest they organise a separate trade deal. And if you Mr prospective MP believe in democracy then abide by what the country says, not Bath, not your street, the country.
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Post by ARENA on Jul 19, 2016 15:38:02 GMT
I am really getting heartily sick of all the whinging from the remainers - parliament will have to decide, there is no legal basis and so on, and on and on. We had a democratic vote. The question on the ballot paper was unambiguous. And it was to leave. I voted leave but as I have explained before it was marginal and I voted leave with perhaps 55% conviction. I voted after long and careful thought. But, if there was another referendum called I would vote out with 100% conviction. And old as I am would consider demonstrating on the streets. Excuse me, whilst you are telling all and sundry. like it or lump it, give a little listen to this. I did not have a democratic vote, neither did my wife and children. Some high-handed individual, sharing your sort of views ,decided that a family who had lived in Malta/Canada or Poland all of their lives could decide but not home-grown Brits now resident outside the UK> So what, you might say. So we could be evicted from the EU countries we are resident in or at least lose benefits we may receive as EU members.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 15:48:02 GMT
I am really getting heartily sick of all the whinging from the remainers - parliament will have to decide, there is no legal basis and so on, and on and on. We had a democratic vote. The question on the ballot paper was unambiguous. And it was to leave. I voted leave but as I have explained before it was marginal and I voted leave with perhaps 55% conviction. I voted after long and careful thought. But, if there was another referendum called I would vote out with 100% conviction. And old as I am would consider demonstrating on the streets. Excuse me, whilst you are telling all and sundry. like it or lump it, give a little listen to this. I did not have a democratic vote, neither did my wife and children. Some high-handed individual, sharing your sort of views ,decided that a family who had lived in Malta/Canada or Poland all of their lives could decide but not home-grown Brits now resident outside the UK> So what, you might say. So we could be evicted from the EU countries we are resident in or at least lose benefits we may receive as EU members. You and I are not going to agree on this Arena. No, I don't think you should have been disenfranchised. But I also think that the prospect of you being 'evicted' from the place you have chosen to live is totally beyond comprehension, and if someone has told you this might happen then they are deluded. It won't happen any more than the UK will evict foreign nationals who are settled and solvent.
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Post by ARENA on Jul 19, 2016 16:10:38 GMT
And the loss of benefits? Since you appear to be setting yourself up for the spokesperson of this divisive regime, perhaps you can tell us what the benefits are and how they will be safeguarded.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 16:34:23 GMT
And the loss of benefits? Since you appear to be setting yourself up for the spokesperson of this divisive regime, perhaps you can tell us what the benefits are and how they will be safeguarded. Here's one "benefit"
"IMF Slashes UK Growth Outlook After EU Vote
The Leave vote will hold back the UK economy and in a worst-case scenario may result in a recession, according to the forecast."
news.sky.com/story/imf-slashes-uk-growth-outlook-after-eu-vote-10506011
Like you I am personally affected by this Brexit decision My OH is a Belgian national and we live here in the UK, and needs to keep that nationality for pension reasons My in laws live in Belgium and at the moment we just drive to Calais, through France, and into Belgium. To augment border controls presumably we will need visas and permission to pass through France, and to enter Belgium Then there is the situation of EU citizens who currently live in the UK, and have done for some years. Some say they will have to leave, some say they may be given special consideration - who knows what will happen. If push comes to shove we will simply sell up, and move to the EU
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Post by marispiper on Jul 19, 2016 17:13:19 GMT
I sometimes wonder listening to many ex-pats, that they consider themselves on a kind of extended holiday but on a long leash to the UK. I actually regard them as having emigrated, presumably for a better and more comfortable life.
Exchange rates, benefits etc.are variable - presumably there have never been complaints in the past when these have worked in their favour.
I also wonder how much, particularly those in Spain, contribute to the dire Spanish economy since they tend to use their own ex-pat tradesmen, hairdressers, restaurants, bars etc. I spoke to two today, in a social context, who are back here on a visit, and that is exactly how they live. However, they did not seem to be unduly worried about their status, which surprised me.
I feel far more for my Italian neighbour, he being a researcher at LSE, and extremely worried at loss of funding and losing the prospect of his job, (kids/house) as well as having doubts over the future of EU citizens here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 17:45:00 GMT
Theresa May learned today the consequences of appointing a buffoon like Boris Johnson to the Foreign office when the American journalists tore him apart at his joint press conference with John Kerry
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