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Post by ARENA on Apr 17, 2020 11:06:12 GMT
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Post by themanwhoknewnothing on Apr 17, 2020 11:20:48 GMT
So much for Little England!
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Post by jimmy20 on Apr 17, 2020 12:38:26 GMT
They are the only ones who will do it. Who wants to work outdoors in all weathers in a back breaking work, and at risk to your health at the moment. Romanians are prepared to do it because there is no work in Rumania where it is work or starve
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Post by jonjel on Apr 17, 2020 13:53:23 GMT
They are the only ones who will do it. Who wants to work outdoors in all weathers in a back breaking work, and at risk to your health at the moment. Romanians are prepared to do it because there is no work in Rumania where it is work or starve I tend to agree, but as a young man I did it in Norfolk and it was bloody hard work.
A few years ago I was visiting friends near Chichester and went for a walk. I was fascinated by what looked like a factory being towed by a tractor across a field, harvesting cabbages. From cutting to trimming and packing, in boxes with a small army of people. A couple of portaloos at the side. And I spoke to a chap who was actually in charge and who was waiting in a truck to collect what had been harvested. The workers were all from E Europe. So I obviously commented 'cheap labour?' Not a bit of it. They were actually on more than £1 an hour above minimum wage, and worked 6 days a week up to 10 hours a day. Good money. I asked him why he could not employ local youngsters who were on the dole, and he laughed. Tried it, the longest any of them ever lasted was three days. Too much like hard work and no day time telly.
Well, times change. I would personally tell a lot of these wasters that their dole money was the other side of the field, and they had better get stuck in. Then of course I would be accused of being too hard on the poor little dears. But in the current climate I would have thought it was not hard to find labour because a lot of people want to do something rather than nothing.
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Post by jimmy20 on Apr 17, 2020 14:24:31 GMT
They are the only ones who will do it. Who wants to work outdoors in all weathers in a back breaking work, and at risk to your health at the moment. Romanians are prepared to do it because there is no work in Rumania where it is work or starve I tend to agree, but as a young man I did it in Norfolk and it was bloody hard work.
A few years ago I was visiting friends near Chichester and went for a walk. I was fascinated by what looked like a factory being towed by a tractor across a field, harvesting cabbages. From cutting to trimming and packing, in boxes with a small army of people. A couple of portaloos at the side. And I spoke to a chap who was actually in charge and who was waiting in a truck to collect what had been harvested. The workers were all from E Europe. So I obviously commented 'cheap labour?' Not a bit of it. They were actually on more than £1 an hour above minimum wage, and worked 6 days a week up to 10 hours a day. Good money. I asked him why he could not employ local youngsters who were on the dole, and he laughed. Tried it, the longest any of them ever lasted was three days. Too much like hard work and no day time telly.
Well, times change. I would personally tell a lot of these wasters that their dole money was the other side of the field, and they had better get stuck in. Then of course I would be accused of being too hard on the poor little dears. But in the current climate I would have thought it was not hard to find labour because a lot of people want to do something rather than nothing.
It has been the same since the 50s, then we imported the Windrush generation to do the jobs nobody else would do. The problem is the benefits system, no work you starve or go to find work. Someone suggested a major reform to the system to Mrs T, she replied "political suicide"
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Post by jonjel on Apr 17, 2020 16:43:18 GMT
I agree Jimmy but unfortunately we are where we are although I think the benefits system has tightened up a bit in recent years, to the cries of anger from the 'snots fair' brigade. That said I am all for supporting those who can not work, and very much against supporting those who won't work. How you solve that is and would be a political minefield in any civilised state with a welfare system which works.
I do know that some years ago, when I used to go to France several times a year I used to go for a walk early in the morning. One morning I saw a couple of youngsters in overalls sweeping up and generally tidying, and asked a local chap who they were. According to him they were unemployed and what they were doing was a condition of them getting any 'dole' money or whatever it is called in France. Arena might like to confirm that, or shoot it down in flames. It actually was very intelligent thing to do because if you have to tidy it up and get rid of the graffiti as sure as eggs is eggs you are going to discourage your mates from making it untidy again.
As an employer I have interviewed dozens of people, and it is quite clear that some have had absolutely zero intention of getting a job, even if it were offered. They have arrived deliberately scruffy and answered questions with grunts. I was so angry a couple of times that they had wasted my time that I did report them back to the job centre. I think they were sanctioned in some way for their attitude. Good.
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Post by jimmy20 on Apr 17, 2020 17:11:39 GMT
I agree Jimmy but unfortunately we are where we are although I think the benefits system has tightened up a bit in recent years, to the cries of anger from the 'snots fair' brigade. That said I am all for supporting those who can not work, and very much against supporting those who won't work. How you solve that is and would be a political minefield in any civilised state with a welfare system which works.
I do know that some years ago, when I used to go to France several times a year I used to go for a walk early in the morning. One morning I saw a couple of youngsters in overalls sweeping up and generally tidying, and asked a local chap who they were. According to him they were unemployed and what they were doing was a condition of them getting any 'dole' money or whatever it is called in France. Arena might like to confirm that, or shoot it down in flames. It actually was very intelligent thing to do because if you have to tidy it up and get rid of the graffiti as sure as eggs is eggs you are going to discourage your mates from making it untidy again.
As an employer I have interviewed dozens of people, and it is quite clear that some have had absolutely zero intention of getting a job, even if it were offered. They have arrived deliberately scruffy and answered questions with grunts. I was so angry a couple of times that they had wasted my time that I did report them back to the job centre. I think they were sanctioned in some way for their attitude. Good. I can confirm that that is also true in Belgium where my in laws are,and nieces have had to take "menial" work or further training to qualify for benefits. Our system seems unable to cope with "scroungers" who milk the system and who can blame these people if they can get away with it. To date I have a neighbour who receives universal credit, and boasts about it, and does cash in hand work on the side. He has been reported but nothing has changed - he has three cars parked outside his place, in including a Mercedes - all on open view May many years ago when I was still living at home, a neighbour there used to struggle to work to Town on his crutches yet come home - limp in the front door and go straight out the back to dig his garden - fir and well !
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Post by aubrey on Apr 17, 2020 18:11:33 GMT
I agree Jimmy but unfortunately we are where we are although I think the benefits system has tightened up a bit in recent years, to the cries of anger from the 'snots fair' brigade. That said I am all for supporting those who can not work, and very much against supporting those who won't work. How you solve that is and would be a political minefield in any civilised state with a welfare system which works.
I do know that some years ago, when I used to go to France several times a year I used to go for a walk early in the morning. One morning I saw a couple of youngsters in overalls sweeping up and generally tidying, and asked a local chap who they were. According to him they were unemployed and what they were doing was a condition of them getting any 'dole' money or whatever it is called in France. Arena might like to confirm that, or shoot it down in flames. It actually was very intelligent thing to do because if you have to tidy it up and get rid of the graffiti as sure as eggs is eggs you are going to discourage your mates from making it untidy again.
As an employer I have interviewed dozens of people, and it is quite clear that some have had absolutely zero intention of getting a job, even if it were offered. They have arrived deliberately scruffy and answered questions with grunts. I was so angry a couple of times that they had wasted my time that I did report them back to the job centre. I think they were sanctioned in some way for their attitude. Good. I can confirm that that is also true in Belgium where my in laws are,and nieces have had to take "menial" work or further training to qualify for benefits. Our system seems unable to cope with "scroungers" who milk the system and who can blame these people if they can get away with it. To date I have a neighbour who receives universal credit, and boasts about it, and does cash in hand work on the side. He has been reported but nothing has changed - he has three cars parked outside his place, in including a Mercedes - all on open view May many years ago when I was still living at home, a neighbour there used to struggle to work to Town on his crutches yet come home - limp in the front door and go straight out the back to dig his garden - fir and well !
Same here - don't you remember Workfare? Where you got £70 for a week's work?
And you can get sanctioned for something as simple as putting the wrong word in your UC diary: the one I saw was "Unavailable" - IE, the claimant had put that she was unavailable for work one morning because she was on a training course that she had been sent to by the Job Centre: the word that was picked out of course was "Unavailable", so she was sanctioned for 90 days. Of course she could appeal, and get it overturned: but that took 2-3 months during which time she had no income.
Other people are sanctioned for being 5 minutes late for an interview - that's a fine of all your income for three months, or 6 months, or longer, for something that might be out of your control. The only difference is that a court mandated fine takes ability to pay into account and a UC fine doesn't. Maybe that's just an example of 'snot fair, I don't know.
Why is it that everyone seems to know someone who is making thousands from benefits? I don't. I know people who have had their benefits wrongly stopped though.
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Post by jimmy20 on Apr 17, 2020 18:56:51 GMT
I can only write about what I see, and know Our place is beside a large social housing estate which includes a row of two story flats. These flats were reserved for tenants who had all been before the courts and on the verge of going to prison unless they had somewhere to stay. So they started moving in to these flats, then selling off all the fittings and disappearing. The Council moved in and repaired the damage and another moved in and the cycle continued. A local councillor knocked at my door canvassing for a forthcoming election so I let rip at him over this policy when so many deserving young couples needed places. He promised to look into it, and he did reporting back that he no idea about this policy and it had been stopped On the rest of this estate you can tell the properties where claimants live - the front gardens are never tidy and the tenants are nowhere to be seen - working on the black or still in bed
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Post by aubrey on Apr 17, 2020 19:31:16 GMT
I can only write about what I see, and know Our place is beside a large social housing estate which includes a row of two story flats. These flats were reserved for tenants who had all been before the courts and on the verge of going to prison unless they had somewhere to stay. So they started moving in to these flats, then selling off all the fittings and disappearing. The Council moved in and repaired the damage and another moved in and the cycle continued. A local councillor knocked at my door canvassing for a forthcoming election so I let rip at him over this policy when so many deserving young couples needed places. He promised to look into it, and he did reporting back that he no idea about this policy and it had been stopped On the rest of this estate you can tell the properties where claimants live - the front gardens are never tidy and the tenants are nowhere to be seen - working on the black or still in bed
That's a bit self-fulfilling, really - claimants leave their gardens untidy, so when there's an untidy garden it much be a claimant who lives there. Like the way you could tell 20 years ago that people on the dole had loads of money because there were satellite dishes on blocks of council flats.
You can't tell who's claiming on our estate, just as you can't tell anyone's income; but when you're on UC you're allowed to earn as well, that's the point of it.
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Post by jimmy20 on Apr 17, 2020 20:06:49 GMT
I can only write about what I see, and know Our place is beside a large social housing estate which includes a row of two story flats. These flats were reserved for tenants who had all been before the courts and on the verge of going to prison unless they had somewhere to stay. So they started moving in to these flats, then selling off all the fittings and disappearing. The Council moved in and repaired the damage and another moved in and the cycle continued. A local councillor knocked at my door canvassing for a forthcoming election so I let rip at him over this policy when so many deserving young couples needed places. He promised to look into it, and he did reporting back that he no idea about this policy and it had been stopped On the rest of this estate you can tell the properties where claimants live - the front gardens are never tidy and the tenants are nowhere to be seen - working on the black or still in bed
That's a bit self-fulfilling, really - claimants leave their gardens untidy, so when there's an untidy garden it much be a claimant who lives there. Like the way you could tell 20 years ago that people on the dole had loads of money because there were satellite dishes on blocks of council flats.
You can't tell who's claiming on our estate, just as you can't tell anyone's income; but when you're on UC you're allowed to earn as well, that's the point of it.
In mu experience it is true, unemployed folk have plenty of time to garden. If folks can jold down a job and still take pride in their gardens then so can those with time on their hands I object to them getting away with it it is fraud and diverts funds from those in genuine need
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Post by jonjel on Apr 18, 2020 12:15:32 GMT
We could I suppose get them to pick fruit and veg in return for their income. Fresh air, exercise, good company even if a couple of metres apart and contributing to society. what's not to like!
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Post by honeybear on May 3, 2021 12:36:34 GMT
Brexit: Sales of milk and cream to EU down 96% and chicken and beef by almost 80%
Food and Drink Federation pleads with Boris Johnson to ‘urgently’ restarts talks to resolve the crisis
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Post by themanwhoknewnothing on May 4, 2021 7:31:18 GMT
I'll bet those are not the4 only losses.
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Post by ARENA on Jul 22, 2021 14:34:39 GMT
I said it will all end in BREXITEARS!
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