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Post by aubrey on Apr 22, 2020 11:13:19 GMT
What do you expect from a far right wing blogger.
This has always been the trick: Staines makes no attempt to engage with the story, just indulges in an assassination of the messenger.
He did the same with a nurse complaining about a lack of PPE, and a doctor critical of the Govt's approach who was interviewed by the BBC:
What's amazing about Guido is the way they started by claiming to be above party politics, when they were always right wing.
The comments on the site in general are a real cess-pit.
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Post by jonjel on Apr 22, 2020 11:34:32 GMT
So, Guido redresses the balance a bit on this board methinks.
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Post by ARENA on Apr 22, 2020 11:46:33 GMT
So, Guido redresses the balance a bit on this board methinks. Because one man's opinion coincides with yours you applaud.
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Post by jimmy20 on Apr 22, 2020 11:49:47 GMT
They can spin and twist as much as they like but the fact remains that Johnson ignored these Cobra meetings which he should have chaired. He deemed them of no importance despite some warnings that this virus could spread world wide and cause serious problems What else was he doing at the time, was that when he was on holiday in the W Indies or absent on holiday at Chevening?
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Post by goodlookingone on Apr 22, 2020 11:57:26 GMT
The real; question is: Why are we so damn stupid as to accept only B... Awful News reporters?
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Post by jonjel on Apr 22, 2020 12:27:23 GMT
The real; question is: Why are we so damn stupid as to accept only B... Awful News reporters?
They mostly seem hellbent on asking banal questions then either ignoring the answers or interpreting exactly how they choose. Then they endlessly bang on about testing. I could test negative today and positive tomorrow as could we all, so it proves very little, other than if I am fit to work. Then they hold Germany up as a shining example. As I understand things the figures reported in Germany are for those who died as a result of C19, as opposed to those who died with it, which is somewhat different. A person with serious hear disease dies. He has contracted C19. Did he die of that, or from the heart disease. This is what Germany are saying.
Then the MSM are constantly banging on about no PPE in care homes. They are in the main (about 80%) privately owned, so it is the owners responsibility to get the right kit, not the governments job.
As I have said, the government are doing their best in an unprecedented time. They will get some things wrong, but the important thing is, they get most things right. And I think under the circumstances they are not doing so badly.
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Post by aubrey on Apr 22, 2020 13:14:37 GMT
So, Guido redresses the balance a bit on this board methinks.
The thing is, Guido is not even attempting a rebuttal: for him the fact that someone is a Labour supporter and a remainer - as if that could have anything to do with it - is enough to make their experience worthless. And the fact that Staines and various Tory politicians (and others) think that fighting a propaganda war at a time like this is a proper thing to be doing is worrying.
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Post by jonjel on Apr 22, 2020 13:27:21 GMT
Not at all. He put the Sunday Times 'Journalist' into perspective and I have no idea if that hack is left right or anything else, or a member of or a former member of any political party.
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Post by jimmy20 on Apr 22, 2020 13:40:25 GMT
The real; question is: Why are we so damn stupid as to accept only B... Awful News reporters?
They mostly seem hellbent on asking banal questions then either ignoring the answers or interpreting exactly how they choose. Then they endlessly bang on about testing. I could test negative today and positive tomorrow as could we all, so it proves very little, other than if I am fit to work. Then they hold Germany up as a shining example. As I understand things the figures reported in Germany are for those who died as a result of C19, as opposed to those who died with it, which is somewhat different. A person with serious hear disease dies. He has contracted C19. Did he die of that, or from the heart disease. This is what Germany are saying.
Then the MSM are constantly banging on about no PPE in care homes. They are in the main (about 80%) privately owned, so it is the owners responsibility to get the right kit, not the governments job.
As I have said, the government are doing their best in an unprecedented time. They will get some things wrong, but the important thing is, they get most things right. And I think under the circumstances they are not doing so badly.
There are tow issues here ! The care homes simply cannot get the PPE kit, the only supplier who seems to have some are manufacturers in Birmingham who have warehouses fulll that they are forced to sell in Europe because all offers to NHS providers have been ignored 2 As you say they are private and have to pay VAT on what they buy, eventually to be reclaimed of course. Vat which comes yo in one case £8,000 which is a lot to lay out. NHS supplies are VAT free so why cannot the homes be included in that
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Post by jonjel on Apr 22, 2020 14:27:44 GMT
VAT is a fact of life. You pay it out, and you then reclaim it on the difference between what you have spent and what you have earned. I don't know what the average cost of a person in a care home is, but I know one of my team is paying £1500 a week for her elderly mother. £600 of that is funded by the Council the rest is from the old girls savings. And the £600 a week will eventually be paid back from the sale of the old ladies bungalow, assuming there is enough left after the sale. That to me seems very harsh. However I would have thought there would be a bit of change left over from the £1500 a week for the care home to be able to fork out for the VAT, which they will of course get back. Care homes are not philanthropic societies. They are businesses.
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Post by jimmy20 on Apr 22, 2020 18:20:32 GMT
VAT is a fact of life. You pay it out, and you then reclaim it on the difference between what you have spent and what you have earned. I don't know what the average cost of a person in a care home is, but I know one of my team is paying £1500 a week for her elderly mother. £600 of that is funded by the Council the rest is from the old girls savings. And the £600 a week will eventually be paid back from the sale of the old ladies bungalow, assuming there is enough left after the sale. That to me seems very harsh. However I would have thought there would be a bit of change left over from the £1500 a week for the care home to be able to fork out for the VAT, which they will of course get back. Care homes are not philanthropic societies. They are businesses. They claim that they are running on tight margins and the increased demand for PPE is an extra strain Why should they pay VAT when the NHS doesn't considering that they are doing the NHS a favour by taking patients who have,have had or have been in contact with coronvirus patients If I ran a home I would force their hand and refuse to take patients from the NHS
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Post by goodlookingone on Apr 22, 2020 19:11:00 GMT
I think that People staying in the Home, have done so to be Cared for - that's the point of a care home - No outfit in this world would be charging to care for people, unless they had costed the job accordingly. No good wimpering now that they expected the rest of us (i.e., you and me who are paying the NHS) to be duplicating those costs
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Post by jonjel on Apr 23, 2020 10:52:45 GMT
I think that People staying in the Home, have done so to be Cared for - that's the point of a care home - No outfit in this world would be charging to care for people, unless they had costed the job accordingly. No good wimpering now that they expected the rest of us (i.e., you and me who are paying the NHS) to be duplicating those costs I agree. There are some very rich people out there who operate care homes. The family of the chap who was accused of murdering his wife on honeymoon in S Africa being one such, but I can't remember his name.
And of course there is a 'holiday' on VAT at the moment which they could take advantage of which would ease their cash flow. Unlike many other operations, pubs and small cafes being one small example their business has not collapsed during this crisis.
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Post by honeybear on Apr 24, 2020 8:25:45 GMT
Johnson's buddy Trumper is suggesting we inject people with Jeyes fluid. Am I in the real world?
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Post by jonjel on Apr 24, 2020 9:41:38 GMT
Johnson's buddy Trumper is suggesting we inject people with Jeyes fluid. Am I in the real world? Well Trump is certainly not in the real world, and I saw a brief clip of what he said. I don't know what he is on but I will avoid it! And as for calling him Johnson's Buddy, well I rather doubt he is on his Christmas Card list! Problem is most politicians and world leaders have to be polite to each other in public, but I would love to know what is said about Trump behind closed doors. Probably unprintable.
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