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Post by marispiper on Aug 30, 2017 9:31:44 GMT
Well, despite the Daily Mail's own inevitable take on this, it would seem that the basic facts are true. I will wager that behind this, there is an inept or inexperienced social worker.
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Post by ARENA on Aug 30, 2017 9:39:43 GMT
Well, despite the Daily Mail's own inevitable take on this, it would seem that the basic facts are true. I will wager that behind this, there is an inept or inexperienced social worker. What are ,"the basic facts"?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 9:42:30 GMT
But you are convinced, despite the evidence, that the press did not lie? None of us know the evidence, that is the heart of the problem. These child are cases are always held in private to protect the child, and I wonder just how much protection that provides. It allows the tabloid press to make hay, and money, from lurid headlines and speculation I feel sorry for today's social workers, they have to cope with challenging issues from out multi cultural society and with shrinking numbers of workers who are always damned if they do and damned if they don't. The majority of their work is very successful but on those rare occasions where it goes wrong, boy are they pilloried and crucified The only issue I have with them is their basic philosophy that the child should remain at home with it's parents, regardless. I think there are time when the best interest of the child is complete removal from it's biological parent/parents
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Post by ARENA on Aug 30, 2017 9:46:06 GMT
Reports about the fostering have been seized upon by far-right activists including the former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson, as well as Britain First and the EDL.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 10:34:44 GMT
I don't know, I was not in court. I spent thirty years on Fleet Street convincing saps that a man bit a dog............ I don't now what a sap is but I doubt it is complimentary. Like the majority of the population I am more than capable of ignoring the lurid headlines and forming my own opinions. Your initial response was this was a 'media invention'. That is simply not true otherwise the Judge would have thrown it out of court and left the child where Tower Hamlets Council had placed her. I have not had the time to read the full judgement. And I am not remotely interested in what Tommy Robinson, or the EDL has to say on the matter. What I am interested in is a crackpot decision made by a Council which gives that sort of disgusting organisation ammunition.
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Post by althea on Aug 30, 2017 10:35:57 GMT
The couple could speak English,but at home between themselves they were not doing so.
Sadly,due to the undependability of the British press,it is difficult to know the truth of any story about anything.
The fact that the care system in this country is scandalously poor is not in question.
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Post by ARENA on Aug 30, 2017 10:46:01 GMT
I spent thirty years on Fleet Street convincing saps that a man bit a dog............ I don't now what a sap is but I doubt it is complimentary. Like the majority of the population I am more than capable of ignoring the lurid headlines and forming my own opinions. Your initial response was this was a 'media invention'. That is simply not true otherwise the Judge would have thrown it out of court and left the child where Tower Hamlets Council had placed her. I have not had the time to read the full judgement. And I am not remotely interested in what Tommy Robinson, or the EDL has to say on the matter. What I am interested in is a crackpot decision made by a Council which gives that sort of disgusting organisation ammunition. And you are certainly not influenced by my 30 years....20 of them on the Daily Mail.
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Post by hild1066 on Aug 30, 2017 11:11:50 GMT
it would seem that it was always the intention of TH to place the child with her grandmother who did wish to raise her. The delay in this, who knows but possibly the wait for a property suitable for this or perhaps some support within the home. In the meantime we have a child who must be at her wits end. I am not sure why nobody listened to her, she was 6 and able to tell people what was happening in the home. it takes so long to effect change within social care, it takes a minimum of 12 weeks to get an Education Health Care Plan in place for example, then finding a temporary foster home and then the arrangements for her gran to have her. If nobody pushes and nobody gets on their case it can easily be 6-12 months and sometimes longer to get things sorted out.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 30, 2017 11:45:57 GMT
But you are convinced, despite the evidence, that the press did not lie? None of us know the evidence, that is the heart of the problem. These child are cases are always held in private to protect the child, and I wonder just how much protection that provides. It allows the tabloid press to make hay, and money, from lurid headlines and speculation I feel sorry for today's social workers, they have to cope with challenging issues from out multi cultural society and with shrinking numbers of workers who are always damned if they do and damned if they don't. The majority of their work is very successful but on those rare occasions where it goes wrong, boy are they pilloried and crucified The only issue I have with them is their basic philosophy that the child should remain at home with it's parents, regardless. I think there are time when the best interest of the child is complete removal from it's biological parent/parents Having had to work alongside social workers, I can't say I feel sorry for them...actually, that's not true. I do feel sorry for the really proactive ones who work damned hard on a case but are paid the same as the coasting ones who advocate standing back! There are some I have reported, and would have preferred sacked! The philosophy is a positive one but it should only be the best option in principle. But it takes a lot of muscle, AND an available alternative, to remove a child.
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Post by hild1066 on Aug 30, 2017 12:39:11 GMT
I think Social Workers are sometimes between a rock and a hard place. Many outside the system do not realise that being a Foster Parent is a full time occupation. In fact you need to give up most other work to qualify. On this basis and the fact that a full time child can bring with it approximately £20K per year in salary for a Foster Parent some have undoubtedly gone down this route because it is a better salary than they would otherwise get. Taking in two or three children can give you an income way above the average salary. These people meet the criteria, pass the course (because they know how to say the right things) but this is ultimately their living and with no disrespect to the wonderful compassionate people who are involved in fostering, many go into this as a means to an end and the children are secondary, especially in temporary fostering families where the children are not expected to be there for more than 6 months. Such is the shortage of families willing to foster, mainly because one of them has to give up work and in some cases both of them, that despite the numbers applying the numbers qualifying always falls short of what is needed. Care Homes are much more expensive and not very suitable for small children, it is considered too expensive to have a Care Home that only houses one/three children e.g. normal family dynamic because of the staffing over a 24hr shift. All combined this sometimes means social workers have to place children with families that are not entirely suitable but meet the criteria on paper. There is simply not a lot of choice out there. What seems to have been the issue here is that the grandparent wanted to look after the child and everyone agreed this was the right place but for some reason this couldn't take place for 6 months. As I have said I can only think this was because the home was too small and she was waiting for another place to be available or that the grandmother was having some kind of treatment e.g. hip replacement before the child could move in. It does not appear that anyone considered providing support into the grandmother's home as a short term measure. Then sometimes you need imagination in the job and not just a flow chart. Poor child.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 13:19:01 GMT
You are right Hild, and human nature being as it is, people can and do make mistakes. The money people receive should be secondary, but that might not always be the case. There is a local family I used to know who had many foster children. A substantial house on the outskirts of town.
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Post by ARENA on Aug 30, 2017 13:47:22 GMT
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Post by honeybear on Aug 30, 2017 13:50:34 GMT
Personally I'd rather listen to somebody who wrote newspapers,than somebody who read them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 14:14:29 GMT
Personally I'd rather listen to somebody who wrote newspapers,than somebody who read them. No-one is asking you to listen to what I or others have said on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 14:35:34 GMT
You wont find this reported in the Mail
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