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Post by hild1066 on Oct 13, 2016 12:10:40 GMT
I have always disliked boxing, I cannot see how anyone gets pleasure from seeing two opponents knock hell out of each other, and especially women I don't mind the boxing, it's just that childish measuring up to each other at the weigh-in that gets me. I know, or I hope, that most of them don't do it, but the ones that get on TV tend to: and I know then that it's a part of the thing, advertising the match, etc, but it's just silly, and for me anyway it takes it back to its less than entirely legal roots: and I also get embarrassed, watching it - two grown men acting like 14-year-old boys. (There was one a few months ago who managed that bit really well, but I can't remember how he did it, or who it was.) In the book Royal Flash, there is a scene in which Flashy more or less tricks Otto von Bismarck into a match against the prize fighter John Gully, in which the rule - to make it "fair" was that Gully could not throw a punch. He still won, though; and the point is, before reading that scene I had not realised how skilful boxing is. I have seen the suggestion that boxing would be safer - long term - without gloves, because the punches would not be so hard, and not so much in bony areas (like the head). Is that a feasible idea? It won't happen because - Uuuuurgh, Prize Fighting, we all know what that's like - but would it really be so bad? I also hate, loathe and detest the Pre-match measuring up and childish threatening behaviour, the posturing and utter rubbish that these men have to get up too to earn a crust (I am presuming they get paid for that programme on Sky, where they sit and slag each other off). You are right it makes the sport of boxing more distasteful and more akin to the pre-planned and rehearsed antic of WWE etc. I am just waiting for one of them to crack a balsa wood and papier-mâché chair off the other and slam him into the wall!!! Figured out I hate this yet!! All the so called 'trash talk' does my head in, some of these guys must not hate the other, must not want to kill must not want to crush just might be excellent boxers with a good pedigree and lots of talent. It's always 'personal, this is' and "teaching each other lessons" - ridiculous hog swill that's what it is.!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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Oct 13, 2016 15:13:10 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 15:13:10 GMT
I don't mind the boxing, it's just that childish measuring up to each other at the weigh-in that gets me. I know, or I hope, that most of them don't do it, but the ones that get on TV tend to: and I know then that it's a part of the thing, advertising the match, etc, but it's just silly, and for me anyway it takes it back to its less than entirely legal roots: and I also get embarrassed, watching it - two grown men acting like 14-year-old boys. (There was one a few months ago who managed that bit really well, but I can't remember how he did it, or who it was.) In the book Royal Flash, there is a scene in which Flashy more or less tricks Otto von Bismarck into a match against the prize fighter John Gully, in which the rule - to make it "fair" was that Gully could not throw a punch. He still won, though; and the point is, before reading that scene I had not realised how skilful boxing is. I have seen the suggestion that boxing would be safer - long term - without gloves, because the punches would not be so hard, and not so much in bony areas (like the head). Is that a feasible idea? It won't happen because - Uuuuurgh, Prize Fighting, we all know what that's like - but would it really be so bad? I also hate, loathe and detest the Pre-match measuring up and childish threatening behaviour, the posturing and utter rubbish that these men have to get up too to earn a crust (I am presuming they get paid for that programme on Sky, where they sit and slag each other off). You are right it makes the sport of boxing more distasteful and more akin to the pre-planned and rehearsed antic of WWE etc. I am just waiting for one of them to crack a balsa wood and papier-mâché chair off the other and slam him into the wall!!! Figured out I hate this yet!! All the so called 'trash talk' does my head in, some of these guys must not hate the other, must not want to kill must not want to crush just might be excellent boxers with a good pedigree and lots of talent. It's always 'personal, this is' and "teaching each other lessons" - ridiculous hog swill that's what it is.!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! These "face offs" and pre match antics of staring your opponent out is spreading to other sports I saw a cricket patch where the pre match palaver could have been a rehearsal for WW3
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Oct 13, 2016 17:28:05 GMT
Post by aubrey on Oct 13, 2016 17:28:05 GMT
It's embarrassing, isn't it?
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Oct 13, 2016 17:29:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 17:29:16 GMT
I cant quite remember who it was but there was a heavyweight world championship fight where the challenger hoodwinked the champion into thinking he was totally out of condition, the result being the champion did virtually no training. Shock horror when on the day of the fight the contender took off his robe to reveal a slim very fit boxer in prime condition. And of course he contender won with ease.
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Oct 13, 2016 19:52:17 GMT
Post by aubrey on Oct 13, 2016 19:52:17 GMT
Jonjel - you know something about this - what do you think of the idea of not having gloves? - On the basis that while it might look more bloody and savage at the time of the fight, there would not be so much head-punching (which would hurt the puncher), and so not so much brain-buffeting and long-term damage.
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Oct 14, 2016 14:24:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2016 14:24:22 GMT
Jonjel - you know something about this - what do you think of the idea of not having gloves? - On the basis that while it might look more bloody and savage at the time of the fight, there would not be so much head-punching (which would hurt the puncher), and so not so much brain-buffeting and long-term damage. I don't think that is the answer Aubrey. Old time prize fighters used to pickle their hands in brine and various other things. I imagine their hands were as hard as leather and they had every knuckle broken and were up to a point immune form the pain in the hands. I certainly would not want to see bare knuckle fighting come back. I am pretty sure the damage they inflicted was pretty horrific. You could insist that head guards were obligatory, as they are in most amateur bouts. You could introduce different gloves, but at what point of sanitising the sport would the public lose interest? Also I think you have to remember that athletes are bigger better trained and stronger than they ever were - otherwise records in other sports would not be broken. Bigger stronger boxers will inflict more damage. I don't think I would want to see professional boxing banned, but don't have a solution. I will admit to being far less interested than I used to be. The time of setting the alarm clock for 2 am to listen to a big fight have long gone for me.
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Oct 14, 2016 15:08:58 GMT
Post by aubrey on Oct 14, 2016 15:08:58 GMT
Thanks. You're right - definitely on the pickling thing, which I hadn't thought of.
I think the trouble with dangerous sports is that they need a serious injury or death every so often, because otherwise they'd seem over-sanitised: not that anyone actively wants it, but if there's (say) a crash in a F1 race, that's pretty much all the news programmes show of it - I don't watch motor sport because I'm not interested, but I have seen a lot of isolated crashes.
We used to have a (maybe Guinness) book of 100 Famous Moments in Sport, and one of them was about a boxer -in the 60s I think: they seemed to have florescent or very bright gloves - who was killed in the ring. I was young, and quite shocked that such a thing could happen.
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