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Post by marispiper on Aug 7, 2016 11:10:18 GMT
I feel sad and angry that this organisation would seem to be relevant to some black people in the UK. There are so many points I could make; I would say first that education is key. I've seen countless pupils who, regardless of ability, see entering into education as 'selling out' to a white system. Hence they leave having under achieved. Next thing you hear "...oh, he's in prison...drug dealing". You could predict it. Same with drives to recruit black police officers. While they see taking part in society as selling out, nothing will change.
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Post by aubrey on Aug 7, 2016 11:18:12 GMT
It won't change while black people are dying in custody, at a far higher rate than white people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 11:25:11 GMT
It won't change while black people are dying in custody, at a far higher rate than white people. Would that be because there are more black people in custody I am fed up with people disrupting the lives and travel of ordinary folk in pursuit of their objectives I must adds that I though it very odd that a jury could find the shooting dead of Mark Duggan to be a "lawful killing" whilst he was unarmed, and the police involved were allowed to get away without being properly interviewed
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Post by aubrey on Aug 7, 2016 12:22:21 GMT
No. And this is usually people who are innocent - IE, who have been arrested but not charged.
No police have ever been convicted of murder or even manslaughter over people having died in custody.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 7, 2016 13:16:58 GMT
The fact that they are in police custody would suggest they are, or are suspected of having committed a criminal act.
I think that this imbalance might change over time as we now have a number of educated black Africans here and their children have a good work ethic. Therefore, the chances of them being in custody is going to be far less. They will be getting on with their lives.
I am retired of course but I could see this emerging in my last couple of years at school. My son is Head of English in the best school round here and reports the same thing...many of the highest achievers are black African, whereas the low achievers of my day were children of Caribbean extraction.
Maybe the slavery legacy is more of a factor than we care to admit, both here and in the US
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Post by marispiper on Aug 7, 2016 14:20:58 GMT
Its a 'day of rage' Sure I can understand rage at stop-and-search when you're just going about your business but where's the rage at the gun and knife carrying that goes on in your own communities - resulting in death after death. BLM devote no energy to a joined up (with us) approach to addressing this. To me it just seems to advocate hatred and division... two things I abhor. They don't even want white people to take part. We are a long way from the Martin Luther King (God bless him) days....
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Post by aubrey on Aug 7, 2016 14:38:49 GMT
That's the Stop and Search thing, which keeps getting dropped as being divisive (IE, racist), and then reinstated, under a different name. Being suspected of of having committed a crime is far from the same thing as actually having committed it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 16:20:55 GMT
No. And this is usually people who are innocent - IE, who have been arrested but not charged. No police have ever been convicted of murder or even manslaughter over people having died in custody. "A total of 1,629 police officers were arrested in the last five years for criminal offences which included assault, grievous bodily harm, and manslaughter, report the Sunday Times. Out of these, 500 were convicted of offences, or suspended from duty on suspicion of committing offences"
www.ibtimes.co.uk/1600-uk-police-officers-arrested-criminal-offences-5-years-1519573
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Post by aubrey on Aug 7, 2016 16:27:02 GMT
Not on people in custody.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 16:32:51 GMT
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Post by aubrey on Aug 7, 2016 16:48:45 GMT
Maybe. Let's hope so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 9:01:11 GMT
Since PACE decisions about prosecutions and sentences are no longer decided at the local Lodge
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Post by ARENA on Aug 8, 2016 9:48:43 GMT
Perhaps they could extend this courteousness to all people.........
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Post by marispiper on Aug 8, 2016 12:59:16 GMT
After the 'days of rage', the BLM protests have at least passed without violence and the riots that were anticipated. It does call into question the relevance of this US born movement here as participants, though very vocal, were few.
That's not to say there aren't serious issues concerning discrimination (for many, not only black people) but these are better solved together rather than inflammatory and divisive organisations.
I listened to LBC on the subject and some of the callers were rightly aggrieved at attitudes and treatment they'd been subjected to - some of it overt, some of it subtle. The subtle racism is definitely felt, but difficult to challenge, and even that were possible, would likely be denied.
Attitude does speak loudly.
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Post by marispiper on Sept 6, 2016 8:36:59 GMT
Spurious reasons for this BLM protest at City Airport...black people more affected by aircraft pollution!! We all breathe... This organisation really maddens me. There are so many issues which need addressing for black people... kids joining gangs and black on black deaths. BLM is misguided because its issues in the US, while they do exist, are not major factors here.. In the UK it only rants and alienates. They will gain no support through this protest.
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