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Post by arfurmo on Nov 14, 2015 8:54:27 GMT
120 dead in Paris, 80 severely wounded
'Radicalised' Islamists
As in Britain these terrorists are a product of Islamic 'communities', communities which largely reject the cultural norms of their adopted society, choose to live in Moslem ghettoes, wear the clothes of Pakistani peasants, send their children to madrasses, demand (and use) Sharia law and howl complaints of Islamophobia. They are voluntary outcasts from the society they have chosen.
This is the birthplace of 'radicalisation'; terror attacks on the society they reject are the logical conclusion of this self-segregation
The time is long overdue for moderate Moslems to condemn this self-segregation and the hatred of mainstream society that it inevitably induces
The time is long overdue for British Moslems to take to the street to condemn the isolation and consequent terrorism of Moslem communities. This has happened in Tunis, but not here. Here they have taken to the streets to protest at cartoons of Mohammed and a book by Rushdie, but not once have thy protested against Moslem self-segregation and the seemingly inevitable consequences of that
These communities are now regarded by many British people as the 'enemy within'
Successive governments have encouraged and cosseted this self-segregation and then introduced laws to protect them from 'Islamophobia'- they have allowed mass immigration of peoples that really only come here for the standard of living and reject everything else - simply examine the attitude of the flood of current refugees into Europe to see their contempt for our societies
Surely the first action should be no more Moslem immigration, and no more Moslem 'refugees' (unless they are heavily vetted) to reinforce the enemy within?
The death-wish of Western Liberalism will not allow this - it would apparently rather see mass killings of our citizens rather than modify this 'Liberalism'
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Post by seadog on Nov 16, 2015 8:12:49 GMT
To quote a senior Muslim cleric in France,"the perpetrators of these attacks cannot be true believers, Islam is a faith of peace, the people who peretrated these terrible events are nothing more tha criminals and bastards" strong words for an Imam.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 10:03:57 GMT
One thing which is different in Islam compared to other faith is that they don't have one supreme leader such as the Pope, or the Archbishop of Canterbury. And they are deeply divided among themselves.
The unspeakable horrors in Paris have been on the front pages, but there have been equally unspeakable horrors in Turkey, Lebanon Sinai and many other places.
What people should not forget is that Paris, and more important Parisians will still be there long long after this excrement that calls itself IS are gone and forgotten, un-mourned and hardly even recorded in history.
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Post by anybody on Nov 16, 2015 10:04:56 GMT
We live in an uncertain, fragile world.
And yet in this world, there is joy. We find a way, through the hardships of life, the pains, the tribulations, the daily struggles, to make life mean something more.
We socialise. We enjoy the pleasures of music or a good book. We watch films. We play sports. We enjoy a drink, or a meal. We find joy, and happiness, in life itself. And we can do so freely, whatever our tastes may be, so long as we do not harm others.
In a city like Paris, all interests are catered for. It is a city characterised not so much by its politics, architecture, or history so much as it is by life itself. By joy. By the bustle of humanity. By the diverse preferences and tastes of millions living side by side.
And yet life itself, the joy of living, was the target of Islamic extremists with a burning hatred for these very freedoms on Friday night, killing well over 100 people. They did not attack infrastructure, politicians, military personnel, or sites of historical or cultural significance. They targeted innocent people, going about their lives, trying to make it through this difficult and complicated world with a modicum of fun and lightness. Something we all aspire to.
It was, in every sense, an attack on multiculturalism; an attack on how we find happiness, outside the confines of a strict religious code of submission; an attack on the secular, enlightened spirit embodied by Paris's vibrant, varied culture.
Our hearts go out to all those affected, over the world. And not just by events in Paris but those in Beirut and Syria and everywhere the cruel hand of religious extremism is felt.
Today we make one request of you. And it is a simple one.
Enjoy your life.
Make it count.
And don't let the murderers win.
BHA
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 10:24:46 GMT
I agree and concur with every single word of that, and thank you to whoever wrote it.
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Post by seadog on Nov 16, 2015 10:31:29 GMT
Your sentiments, Anybody, are mine entirely, living in France I feel it deeply. A friend of ours was at the rock concert, but we have heard from her and she is OK but traumatised.
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Post by ARENA on Nov 17, 2015 9:09:04 GMT
Those who wish to divide and demonize must be defeated. Whatever their creed.
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Post by anybody on Nov 19, 2015 9:53:54 GMT
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Post by ARENA on Nov 19, 2015 11:19:39 GMT
Well done A...
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Post by arfurmo on Nov 19, 2015 12:56:26 GMT
Would that this was the norm for the Pakistani 'community' in the UK. Unfortunately a large proportion are for Sharia etc |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 14:29:49 GMT
To deny there is an increasing problem from some people who call themselves Muslims is in my view both foolish and dangerous. I don’t celebrate the death of anyone but the news from Paris that the ‘alleged’ ringleader is dead I am sure will make a few people feel safer.
I have Muslim friends and one, a woman has spent a lot of time in my house and we have sometimes talked long into the night. Yes, over a drink because she cherry picked those parts of the faith she chose, as many do. After one appalling atrocity committed by IS, and I really can’t remember which I suggested to her that she organise some sort of march with fellow Muslims and banners saying ‘Not in my name’ or something similar. She told me that if she did that she would actually fear for her own safety. I queried this and she then told me that more than 50% of the Muslims in the city probably tacitly approved of what had happened. I had no reason to doubt her, she knew her own community a lot better than I ever will.
But it got me thinking.
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Post by ARENA on Nov 20, 2015 8:26:33 GMT
A denier will always be a denier.
Deniers ignore facts that fly in the face of their destructive beliefs.
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Post by goldelox on Nov 20, 2015 8:41:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 9:39:31 GMT
A denier will always be a denier. Deniers ignore facts that fly in the face of their destructive beliefs. Arena. I am getting old and the brain is not as nimble as it was, but I really don't understand what you are saying. If you can spell it out for one who is hard of thinking I would be grateful. |
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Post by ARENA on Nov 20, 2015 12:07:27 GMT
There's none so blind as those who will not see
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