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Post by marispiper on Aug 5, 2017 7:49:38 GMT
Huge, huge entertainment last night watching Bolt and Farah squeezing every ounce they could muster to compete - and WIN! Gold! What a record! They were up against it too, you could tell, which made it even more thrilling 😊
Plus the added pleasure of watching, and listening to (that voice!) Michael Johnson (swoon 😄)
In last night's events, could not help puzzling over the fact that most of those on the track were black, but most of those in the stadium were white...?
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Post by rondetto on Aug 6, 2017 12:30:09 GMT
Yes, that's the world we live in. Most of the very talented athletes are black. Though we still have some very talented
white athletes. Shame to see Usain Bolt beaten but he was a gentleman in defeat. I honestly believe any athlete
proved to have cheated with a stimulant should be banned for life.
It is marvelous entertainment and it proves how popular the sport of athletics is now by the packed stadiums.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 15:03:41 GMT
Yes, that's the world we live in. Most of the very talented athletes are black. Though we still have some very talented white athletes. Shame to see Usain Bolt beaten but he was a gentleman in defeat. I honestly believe any athlete proved to have cheated with a stimulant should be banned for life. It is marvelous entertainment and it proves how popular the sport of athletics is now by the packed stadiums. I think the successful non white athletes are of African/Caribbean origin rather than Asian From my memory Asian students always exceled at school and progressed to "A" level and university. Other non white students were not academically successful and tended to concentrate on sports This is just my impression and no doubt educationalists would set the record straight if I am wrong BTW In a perverse way I was glad to see Bolt beaten. I am fed up with these athletes/tennis players etc who jet in, take the money, and clear off. And in one particular case, claim to be British and get a knighthood whilst living in America |
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Post by marispiper on Aug 7, 2017 8:19:03 GMT
Yes, that's the world we live in. Most of the very talented athletes are black. Though we still have some very talented white athletes. Shame to see Usain Bolt beaten but he was a gentleman in defeat. I honestly believe any athlete proved to have cheated with a stimulant should be banned for life. It is marvelous entertainment and it proves how popular the sport of athletics is now by the packed stadiums. Agree with you there about Bolt. The crowds love him for his personality as well as his amazing record. Very subdued atmosphere over Gatlin's win - mind you, he was booed a number of times before the race even started,so it's clear what the athletics supporters thought of him. I was listening to Roger Black this morning, saying that WADA simply cannot afford to be sued and it is lawyers (again!!!) who are calling the shots. Where there is even a scintilla of doubt, the ban is overturned.Allegedly😒 Gatlin said (2nd time) that he did not take testosterone supplements but that it must've been in the cream used in body massage by physio. Maybe the anti doping body should change the ban period - make it ten years for a second violation, then there'd be no point in a comeback? I love athletics but the possibility of drug enhanced performance negates the value of sport. As much as WADA are doing their best to test for drugs,I think there are others working away at finding ways to mask their detection. |
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Post by marispiper on Aug 7, 2017 8:28:28 GMT
Yes, that's the world we live in. Most of the very talented athletes are black. Though we still have some very talented white athletes. Shame to see Usain Bolt beaten but he was a gentleman in defeat. I honestly believe any athlete proved to have cheated with a stimulant should be banned for life. It is marvelous entertainment and it proves how popular the sport of athletics is now by the packed stadiums. I think the successful non white athletes are of African/Caribbean origin rather than Asian From my memory Asian students always exceled at school and progressed to "A" level and university. Other non white students were not academically successful and tended to concentrate on sports This is just my impression and no doubt educationalists would set the record straight if I am wrong BTW In a perverse way I was glad to see Bolt beaten. I am fed up with these athletes/tennis players etc who jet in, take the money, and clear off. And in one particular case, claim to be British and get a knighthood whilst living in America Competitors only "jet in" to the place where the tournament is being held. One could argue that the money in sport/(nearly all sports) is crazy. But you can't blame competitors for that. As for the athlete who claims to be British, Mo Farah has citizenship (dual British/Somali) so no argument really. However, many athletes train abroad because facilities are so much better. |
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Post by goldelox on Aug 7, 2017 8:38:48 GMT
Sir Mo is British.
Drugs bans should be for life. The incentive to cheat would be almost eradicated, if it were. That applies to all sport.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 7, 2017 8:52:48 GMT
Sir Mo is British. Drugs bans should be for life. The incentive to cheat would be almost eradicated, if it were. That applies to all sport. To be honest Golde, I am sure we are oblivious to the extent of it! Gatlin has been vilified this time, but he is far from alone and the outrage, in this case, is simply linked to Bolt. |
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Post by marispiper on Aug 7, 2017 8:55:33 GMT
By the way, I was simply making an observation about the crowd.
The success of competitors is simply dependent on body type rather than ethnicity.
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Post by hild1066 on Aug 7, 2017 11:35:11 GMT
There has to be an element of reprieve, in these drug taking situations. People may have inadvertently taken them or have been given them and told they were vitamins or something. We can't underestimate the pressure a coach may put on a young athlete and the regimen they follow. It would be relatively easy to dupe someone even incredibly intelligent people who are young and are put in such a dominant situation. I understand that Gatlin's first fail was over Ritalin that he had been taking for many years (since he was a child) for ADHD It is a banned substance and was not prescribed by the athletics' team doctor but via his own GP and the drugs were in his parents house (where he was still living), he had simply continued taking them. Now that might be ignorant and it might be stupid but it did not occur to him or his family that a drug prescribed to children would be banned and as he took it routinely they didn't give it any thought. It didn't occur to his coach or team doctor to ask him because they didn't know he had/was being treated for ADHD and he didn't want to tell them because of the stigma. It is a plausible argument, he was young and not well informed and there is a stigma to having a condition like ADHD. So we give him that one and I think today he would get a pass on this one.
The second one where his defence was that the testosterone must have been in a massage cream, well what cream and why would it be. That should have been easily determined. Does anyone make such a cream. I can't see any defence here and so he gets banned.
But for life, do we do that in other walks of life. If a doctor admits/is found to have a pain killer dependency is he struck off, no he is given time off whilst he gets care and support, despite the fact that he knew what he was doing, knew it could compromise his health and might compromise that of his patients etc. It is only if he harms people or defrauds the govt. by falsifying prescriptions etc. that he is sanctioned and that still doesn't mean he is struck off.
An athlete is there to entertain and yet we hold them to higher standards than a doctor and definitely much higher standards than a politician. Reasonable punishment is what is required, enforced treatment and education. Not cutting off someone's means of support for the rest of their lives. Keep up the testing, keep up the campaigns and education but why should someone who jumps a pole for a living be worse than a doctor who pumps himself full of steroids.
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Post by marispiper on Aug 7, 2017 16:44:22 GMT
Odd about the Ritalin for two reasons - first it has a sedative effect so no use to an athlete I'd have said, and second, why would he still be taking it in adulthood?
Yes, athletes are there to entertain, but there is no entertainment/sport without a level playing field.
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Post by hild1066 on Aug 8, 2017 11:51:23 GMT
Yes I wondered about the Ritalin too and think it must have a side effect that worries WADA e.g. such as antidepressants can be used to help alleviate symptoms of urine incontinence etc.
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Post by rondetto on Aug 8, 2017 13:51:43 GMT
Apparently a lot of the athletes have a bug that they think might be food in the hotel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 14:58:07 GMT
Does the BBC have to provide so much coverage of this event showing just how hopeless British athletes are, even at peak viewing times. By all means cover it but stick it on BBC2, 3, or 4
Remember all that investment in the 2012 Olympics that would provide a wonderful kick start for our athletes. Still waiting to see the results
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Post by marispiper on Aug 8, 2017 15:28:17 GMT
Does the BBC have to provide so much coverage of this event showing just how hopeless British athletes are, even at peak viewing times. By all means cover it but stick it on BBC2, 3, or 4 Remember all that investment in the 2012 Olympics that would provide a wonderful kick start for our athletes. Still waiting to see the results Well I have enjoyed it. I disagree with your view that British athletes are 'hopeless' - these are World games, don't forget, and we have qualified for the finals of lots of events. I like athletics though... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 16:35:46 GMT
Does the BBC have to provide so much coverage of this event showing just how hopeless British athletes are, even at peak viewing times. By all means cover it but stick it on BBC2, 3, or 4 Remember all that investment in the 2012 Olympics that would provide a wonderful kick start for our athletes. Still waiting to see the results Well I have enjoyed it. I disagree with your view that British athletes are 'hopeless' - these are World games, don't forget, and we have qualified for the finals of lots of events. I like athletics though... How many medals have we won? |
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