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Oct 1, 2016 21:37:36 GMT
Post by marispiper on Oct 1, 2016 21:37:36 GMT
I come from a family of pugilists and boxing supporters. However, my heart sank at the death of Mike Towell and understandably there are calls for the ban of the sport. Apparently, he had a bad headache before the fight.
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Oct 2, 2016 16:23:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 16:23:42 GMT
I come from a family of pugilists and boxing supporters. However, my heart sank at the death of Mike Towell and understandably there are calls for the ban of the sport. Apparently, he had a bad headache before the fight. He had the migraine type headaches continually for some time before the fight but refused to consult the medicos because he knew they would stop the fight. I am no fan of boxing, and appalled that they have now introduced women boxing in the Olympics
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Oct 2, 2016 16:44:36 GMT
Post by marispiper on Oct 2, 2016 16:44:36 GMT
Isn't it funny? I am very pleased about women's boxing and I think Nicola Adams is just great. However, nobody wants to see even serious injury, let alone death. It makes my heart sink. It's true, when someone punches you, it does bloody hurt!
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Oct 2, 2016 16:54:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 16:54:21 GMT
Isn't it funny? I am very pleased about women's boxing and I think Nicola Adams is just great. However, nobody wants to see even serious injury, let alone death. It makes my heart sink. It's true, when someone punches you, it does bloody hurt! My concern is sort of anecdotal. I know of three women who were in car crashes where they were thrown forward and hit the dashboard are with their breasts. All three developed breast cancer, and two died Now I don't know if the know caused the cancer but I would not take the risk, and presumably female boxers exchange body punches in that area
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Oct 2, 2016 18:11:44 GMT
Post by marispiper on Oct 2, 2016 18:11:44 GMT
I've often wondered about blows/impact to the breasts, but in boxers they are no more or less harmful than blows to the head, male or female. I have always been pro-boxing and enjoy it, but I don't know, this young man's death has got to me.
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Oct 2, 2016 18:50:10 GMT
Post by ARENA on Oct 2, 2016 18:50:10 GMT
My f-i-l was a boxer. Like so many , he ended up brain-damaged. I knew quite a few other pros. They used to hang around Fleet Street, doing pot-men's jobs for free drinks.
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Oct 3, 2016 9:08:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 9:08:45 GMT
My f-i-l was a boxer. Like so many , he ended up brain-damaged. I knew quite a few other pros. They used to hang around Fleet Street, doing pot-men's jobs for free drinks. Does a "pot-man's job" involve funny substances?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 14:00:02 GMT
It is very sad, and I don't really know at what point you say 'enough it enough' Amateur boxing seems to be relatively safe. But if you are going to ban sport for the injuries it might cause then look no further than rugby, which is a game I love. A friends nephew has just had his third major back operation and is almost certainly never going to work again. He is 40, with three very young children he adores, and is on a mobility scooter.
I suppose the real difference is that in boxing it is intended to hurt the opponent, but in most other sports it is accidental.
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Oct 3, 2016 16:32:22 GMT
Post by aubrey on Oct 3, 2016 16:32:22 GMT
This is what Rugby looks like to an outsider:
-PG Wodehouse
I have just found someone saying on another board (though the post was 13 years old) that he agreed with Wodehouse, and that Rugby left him cold. He was misunderstanding: it was Bertie Wooster who did not get rugby: Wodehouse loved it; one of the things that bothered him about the war was not being able to get results of the Dulwich first IV' games.
Boxing's always been dodgy, but if people want to do it then you can't stop them. It was weird though how the Operation Spanner defendants were given prison sentences for inflicting on each other injuries that were much less severe than result from the usual kind of boxing match.
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Oct 4, 2016 9:47:38 GMT
Post by marispiper on Oct 4, 2016 9:47:38 GMT
Very good point JJ, that boxing is a sport where hurting your opponent is intentional - making it all the more difficult to accept when devastating injury results.
As you get older, the loss of a young life seems to hurt more...
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Oct 11, 2016 12:10:49 GMT
Post by hild1066 on Oct 11, 2016 12:10:49 GMT
Very good point JJ, that boxing is a sport where hurting your opponent is intentional - making it all the more difficult to accept when devastating injury results. As you get older, the loss of a young life seems to hurt more... I too am a boxing fan and have thought that over the past couple of years there have been one or two bouts I have seen where the ref should have stepped in much sooner. Billy-Joe being a case in point. He is a fighter and kept fighting valiantly but we could all see that this was an instinctive reaction rather than there being any chance he was going to win. It is no good saying that a corner should throw in the towel, they are not the referees and it has to be the referees decision. The sad case of this boxer may or may not be related to his headaches, that is yet to proven. What we do know is that if he had reported them, if they were as severe as is claimed he would not have been boxing that night. There is no mandatory independent health check before a match, perhaps this is the way forward. How would you stop a person lying to a doctor; it is impossible to see a headache that you had yesterday. Nobody in the medical professional would want these otherwise fit young people to be exposed to regular and routine radiation via x-rays, so how do we reliably check their health beforehand. It's for better brains than me but a 'fitness to box' certificate issued within 8 hours of the bout is something that should be considered.
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Oct 11, 2016 16:20:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 16:20:59 GMT
One problem I think Hild is that the boxer concerned might see a lucrative pay day disappearing. It would perhaps be in his financial interest to keep quiet. I agree the ref should step in earlier, but are referees trained to look for signs of serious head injury? I thought it was pretty normal practice for them to call the ring side doctor, and as far as I know the doctor does not have independant power to stop the fight, he can only advise the referee.
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Oct 11, 2016 18:42:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 18:42:54 GMT
I have always disliked boxing, I cannot see how anyone gets pleasure from seeing two opponents knock hell out of each other, and especially women
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Oct 12, 2016 12:13:15 GMT
Post by hild1066 on Oct 12, 2016 12:13:15 GMT
One problem I think Hild is that the boxer concerned might see a lucrative pay day disappearing. It would perhaps be in his financial interest to keep quiet. I agree the ref should step in earlier, but are referees trained to look for signs of serious head injury? I thought it was pretty normal practice for them to call the ring side doctor, and as far as I know the doctor does not have independant power to stop the fight, he can only advise the referee. True you are right about the pay day. Boxer only get paid when they fight. I think it would be pretty ludicrous if in 2016 refs weren't trained in emergency first aid and specifically trained to look out for signs of concussion type injuries and pupils changing etc. After all they are up pretty close and can intervene. The ref can call the fight off. I am pretty sure if a doctor advised the ref to stop the fight and the ref didn't there would be serious repercussions when someone died or was seriously injured. It is an unpredictable sport and I know there have to be weights and balances e.g. it's their profession, they have free will, they do not appear to be staggering, have jelly legs, breathing with difficulty and their pupils look fine, there are no serious cuts but they are taking a beating and no longer able to defend themselves properly - stop the fight. It is not boxing if the opponent is unable to box back.
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Oct 12, 2016 17:14:25 GMT
Post by aubrey on Oct 12, 2016 17:14:25 GMT
I have always disliked boxing, I cannot see how anyone gets pleasure from seeing two opponents knock hell out of each other, and especially women I don't mind the boxing, it's just that childish measuring up to each other at the weigh-in that gets me. I know, or I hope, that most of them don't do it, but the ones that get on TV tend to: and I know then that it's a part of the thing, advertising the match, etc, but it's just silly, and for me anyway it takes it back to its less than entirely legal roots: and I also get embarrassed, watching it - two grown men acting like 14-year-old boys. (There was one a few months ago who managed that bit really well, but I can't remember how he did it, or who it was.) In the book Royal Flash, there is a scene in which Flashy more or less tricks Otto von Bismarck into a match against the prize fighter John Gully, in which the rule - to make it "fair" was that Gully could not throw a punch. He still won, though; and the point is, before reading that scene I had not realised how skilful boxing is. I have seen the suggestion that boxing would be safer - long term - without gloves, because the punches would not be so hard, and not so much in bony areas (like the head). Is that a feasible idea? It won't happen because - Uuuuurgh, Prize Fighting, we all know what that's like - but would it really be so bad?
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