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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 15:12:57 GMT
[/p] Barbaric
[/quote] Do you eat meat Gus? [/quote][/p]
Yes, do foxhunters eat the foxes they have killed?
[/quote] First of all foxhunters don't kill foxes. Second, why do you object to shooting? (the royal family breeding birds to then shoot) It is not only the Royal family who have organised shooting on parts of their land. If you eat meat then you don't object obviously to tens of thousands of chickens being kept in sheds and slaughtered when less than 40 days old for the table. But you do object to a pheasant being reared, having a pretty normal life scratching about then maybe being shot for the table by someone who perhaps pays a lot of money to do that. The money they pay goes to support hundreds of jobs in the countryside and to help preserve bits of that countryside which would otherwise be grubbed up for agriculture. You seem to object to things which are in your eyes upper class pursuits.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 17:59:04 GMT
[/p] Barbaric
[/quote] Do you eat meat Gus? [/quote][/p]
Yes, do foxhunters eat the foxes they have killed?
[/quote] First of all foxhunters don't kill foxes. Second, why do you object to shooting? (the royal family breeding birds to then shoot) It is not only the Royal family who have organised shooting on parts of their land. If you eat meat then you don't object obviously to tens of thousands of chickens being kept in sheds and slaughtered when less than 40 days old for the table. But you do object to a pheasant being reared, having a pretty normal life scratching about then maybe being shot for the table by someone who perhaps pays a lot of money to do that. The money they pay goes to support hundreds of jobs in the countryside and to help preserve bits of that countryside which would otherwise be grubbed up for agriculture. You seem to object to things which are in your eyes upper class pursuits. [/quote][/p]
Wrong, I object to things that are pointless and pursued in the name of "fun"
Chickens and other animals that are killed to eat, i.e. for food, are no problem. The welfare of those animals is another issue and topic, nothing to do with foxhunting
Other animals such as foxes and royal pheasants are killed in the name of fun
"Foxhunters don't kill foxes". One might well ask why they do it then, and why they went to great lengths to persuade us why it was necessary to curtail them
Tallyho
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 9:56:00 GMT
Ah. Now we have it. One must not enjoy it. And what about fishing?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 10:41:51 GMT
Ah. Now we have it. One must not enjoy it. And what about fishing? So you get your kicks and enjoyment from being cruel and barbaric to animals. Suppose you like cock fighting, badger baiting, bull fighting, dog fighting and so on Some of us are more enlightened and mature Tally ho
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Post by marispiper on Sept 27, 2016 11:09:58 GMT
This is a longer Marathon than Aubrey's 😁
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 16:00:24 GMT
Ah. Now we have it. One must not enjoy it. And what about fishing? So you get your kicks and enjoyment from being cruel and barbaric to animals. Suppose you like cock fighting, badger baiting, bull fighting, dog fighting and so on Some of us are more enlightened and mature Tally ho
I don't know a single person who might sometimes participate in shooting or fishing who is cruel or barbaric. Pheasants are not even a native species. Just like the chickens you eat their eggs are incubated and the young are reared. Then unlike your chickens they are set free. Yes they are fed so tend to stay around, but by no means all stay around. After that they might be shot. About one in three is the average. But they have a pretty normal and as natural life up to that point. One moment they are flying free and the next they are dead. Unlike your chickens who are fed an exact quantity of an exact formula of food, are kept in artificial light at a standard temperature and humidity and grown so fast that their legs are often unable to support their weight. What you object to is some sort of phony class distinction between those who shoot and those who do not. You could not be further from the truth. I can only conclude that you have taken all the propaganda of the bunny huggers at face value and are commenting on a subject about which you know very little.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 17:48:42 GMT
So you get your kicks and enjoyment from being cruel and barbaric to animals. Suppose you like cock fighting, badger baiting, bull fighting, dog fighting and so on Some of us are more enlightened and mature Tally ho
I don't know a single person who might sometimes participate in shooting or fishing who is cruel or barbaric. Pheasants are not even a native species. Just like the chickens you eat their eggs are incubated and the young are reared. Then unlike your chickens they are set free. Yes they are fed so tend to stay around, but by no means all stay around. After that they might be shot. About one in three is the average. But they have a pretty normal and as natural life up to that point. One moment they are flying free and the next they are dead. Unlike your chickens who are fed an exact quantity of an exact formula of food, are kept in artificial light at a standard temperature and humidity and grown so fast that their legs are often unable to support their weight. What you object to is some sort of phony class distinction between those who shoot and those who do not. You could not be further from the truth. I can only conclude that you have taken all the propaganda of the bunny huggers at face value and are commenting on a subject about which you know very little. Your post says it all, and makes clear who it is that knows very little about this issue I am leaving you to keep digging - Tally ho
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Post by marispiper on Sept 27, 2016 18:07:11 GMT
A while ago we were visiting friends who farm and we were talking about food and the subject of rabbit came up. I said I hadn't eaten a rabbit for years. Friend did no more, went out with gun and shot a couple for us. And mighty tasty they were too! Outdoor reared free range food - the best.
I think the further we are removed from country ways, the more squeamish and sanitised we become. Within friends and family, those in farming have only one rule when it comes to animals; if it's useful, care for and nurture it, if it's a pest, get rid of it.
Likewise, if I buy fish, I prefer to gut and clean it myself. The fishmonger is amazed! But nothing like the taste of the freshest fish you catch and clean yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 21:23:30 GMT
A while ago we were visiting friends who farm and we were talking about food and the subject of rabbit came up. I said I hadn't eaten a rabbit for years. Friend did no more, went out with gun and shot a couple for us. And mighty tasty they were too! Outdoor reared free range food - the best. I think the further we are removed from country ways, the more squeamish and sanitised we become. Within friends and family, those in farming have only one rule when it comes to animals; if it's useful, care for and nurture it, if it's a pest, get rid of it. Likewise, if I buy fish, I prefer to gut and clean it myself. The fishmonger is amazed! But nothing like the taste of the freshest fish you catch and clean yourself. We were reared on rabbits, after the war with meat rationing and shortages rabbit was our survival. We lived in a small hamlet and the local farmers were delighted when Dad got a shotgun, he wasn't that good a shot so your rabbit meat might well contain shotgun pellets Delicious pies
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Post by aubrey on Sept 28, 2016 6:26:35 GMT
I'm kind of ambivalent about hunting, though talking about it as pest control is disingenuous.
Pheasant shooting id not good conservation: you get whole areas made sterile, all for a bird that would not otherwise survive; and that's even without the deliberate killing of rare birds by gamekeepers (though it is bizarre that only the gamekeeper is punished, as if the landowner or his employer has no responsibility at all).
Fishing does help with conservation, apparently.
Disclosure:
I haven't eaten meat for 40 years, though I do have dairy stuff. I used to live in the country and know about such country pursuits as blowing frogs up with a straw and giving myxomatosis to rabbits: until you've seen a panicked blind rabbit run full pelt into a tree you don't really get how cruel that was.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 13:09:06 GMT
So far Gus on this thread you have accused a jury of being hunt supporters, the Royal Family of being two faced and me of being bestial and barbaric and a supporter of badger and bear bating and of bull fighting. I have tried to explain that country life is not as you seem to perceive it, but will let others judge.
I have had a shotgun certificate since I was 14 and think it is probable that I know a lot more about shooting and the balance of country life than many. Shooting has absolutely nothing to do with satisfying some sort of blood lust or being barbaric in any way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 14:36:25 GMT
So far Gus on this thread you have accused a jury of being hunt supporters, the Royal Family of being two faced and me of being bestial and barbaric and a supporter of badger and bear bating and of bull fighting. I have tried to explain that country life is not as you seem to perceive it, but will let others judge. I have had a shotgun certificate since I was 14 and think it is probable that I know a lot more about shooting and the balance of country life than many. Shooting has absolutely nothing to do with satisfying some sort of blood lust or being barbaric in any way. So why have a "shotgun licence"? I would ban all guns but then I don't have an inferiority complex
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 14:54:04 GMT
You seem despite the mantra of this board determined to heap personal abuse on me. There is much I could say in response, but am really not going there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 19:13:44 GMT
You seem despite the mantra of this board determined to heap personal abuse on me. There is much I could say in response, but am really not going there. "Personal abuse", I suggest that you revisit some of your posts on this topic right back to the start
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Post by aubrey on Sept 28, 2016 19:40:53 GMT
Now now, chaps - shake hands, eh?
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